Okay so I'm 17 (turning 18 very soon) and have been reading up on MM and a bunch of guides/posts online. I've been noticing that most of this stuff applies to the 20+ crowd of PUA's/girls, and so was wondering what kind of measures I can take to improve my sarging as a teen.

I mean, most of the openers/negs I've been going over I don't think really work with teen girls, and same goes with the routines. Most of the girls aren't that mature. I'm not talking about sarging at clubs, but rather day game such as at malls pr cafes. Anybody have any advice/resources for the aspiring teen PUA?

Thanks in advance.

First of all its great that your getting into it so young! It's not just a lay skill its a life skill! Anyway as far as material, yes I can see where your coming from. A lot of the canned material is directed toward a slightly older crowd than your venue. But I believe the basic structure would remain the same.

I also feel you hit the nail on the head with the maturity level. It seems like it would be more difficult to display value and hook women because in pickup you are filling that 'want' that women have. Do younger girls have this same 'want', or is is something that they have not matured enough to realize? Their wants and needs are going to be very different than the wants and needs of a 20 something. Try an calibrate your conversation to this. Some of the comfort building techniques you read about in theory and such may just be TO DEEP for them at this point, not your fault. Maybe try it out on more mentally mature girls your age and see how it works?

Also in your situation I would start building my inner confidence and inner game, posture, projection. That kind of thing.

Any specific scenarios you want to ask about? Maybe I could offer more help there.

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Dude, you will be so much better of building a "natural" lifestyle, rather than just go a structured path. All you need is 3 things:

1. Confidence
2. Abundance (Social Proof)
3. Ability to sexually escalate

Just please don't be another one who runs around with a flashing belt and platform boots, asking women "who lies more, men or women"... The structured stuff does work, but make a lifestyle that is more than just being a PUA. Remember, pickup should never be more than just a hobby

Take care

~TK

Here is some footage of AFCAdam on becoming a natural:

http://www.the21convention.com/2009/05/ ... -2-1-of-1/

It's not about maturity. It's about creating emotions. And openers and negs can do that. But it's not so easy. There aren't any magic lines. It is not the neg that is making the girl attracted to you. It's the way you deliver it (which girls perceive as a part of your personality). If you cannot hold eye contact and stand straight then even if you neg a girl 6 times it won't work - she won't even listen to it. My advice is to focus on your body language and having normal conversations with girls - after you feel comfortable around them you can start using negs or DHVs or whatever you want

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It's not about maturity. It's about creating emotions. And openers and negs can do that. But it's not so easy. There aren't any magic lines. It is not the neg that is making the girl attracted to you. It's the way you deliver it (which girls perceive as a part of your personality). If you cannot hold eye contact and stand straight then even if you neg a girl 6 times it won't work - she won't even listen to it. My advice is to focus on your body language and having normal conversations with girls - after you feel comfortable around them you can start using negs or DHVs or whatever you want [/quote]

i have had simmiliar problems, will check out the video at an earliest opportunity. any good material thats easily avaliable to read, some books or somin on good body language in seduction or in genneral that u can recomend? if can be found in library or somin, too poor to buy anything at the moment.

thx

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First off, thanks a lot for all your replies.

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't really see myself as an insecure person or someone that doesn't really know how to talk with girls, nor do I let this PUA stuff take over my life. This is merely something I discovered a while ago and have found it to be rather fascinating not only for getting girls but basically learning more about human psychology overall. I mean, I go into the field trying this stuff out mainly as a challenge, not actually trying to score a girl (not yet at least lol).

Anyways, as I already mentioned, most of my sarging takes place in the daytime at malls, cafes and such. I'm pretty sure that's harder than clubs/parties, with one of the reasons definitely being pulling off routines (at a mall, you usually stop to talk for 2-5 minutes, which isn't enough to get into a full routine). Therefore, I guess teen sarge + mall = TOO hard. What do you guys think?

Driberif, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. Some of the stuff is indeed "too deep", and teen girls do sometimes not know what they actually want. A large portion of it does depend on social proof, which brings me to this question: What do you (theTK) mean when you say I need social proof? How is that achieved when I'm at a mall with a wing just going up to girls I don't know?

Playfellow, I think you're also right in saying that it's about delivery and creating emotions. With that in mind, could anybody recommend any good books on the whole body language/posture/projection?

Thanks in advance.

If you read some books on body language you will find that they are almost similar. The key is to look relaxed and confident.
You cannot control every single aspect of your body language all the time so the best is to focus on these things:
Posture: Stand straight, keep your head up, relax your shoulders and hands, keep your feet apart and don't be afraid to take the space which you need to feel comfortable(don't overdo it though )
Hands: Keep them relaxed and don't cross them in front of you. Don't gesture too much and touch all the people around you
Breathing: Breathe deeply and from your stomach(You can have perfect body language and still look nervous if you breathe fast and shallow). This also makes your voice more deep and powerful.
Eye Contact: Make strong eye contact and don't look down when a girl looks at you
Avoid fidgeting!!!

This is very basic. But it's really important to master it. After that you can(if you want) add more things to it.

If you want to improve your body language you can read books but I think it would be better if you look for articles in Google(they cover all the basic principles and are free). And also don't forget the movies. Actors have great body language(it's their main tool to affect the audience). You can see how Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise behave. Watch the movies Fight Club, Top Gun, Van Wilder, Hitch or any other like them. They are a great source of information on body language.

Thanks Playfellow. I think I'm also going to check out the "How to Become an Alpha Male" ebook by John Alexander.