Guys, I want the guys who have been in the game for long to kindly answer this:

I am going through a phase where if on a night I dont get a number I feel like a failure. Even if I get a makeout or even a lay but dont have that solid number that I could call back and date I feel like a failure. Its wierd but a little frustrating at the same time !!

I know that PUAs say that you are not going to rock every single fucking night but still I feel the frustration next morning if I dont wake up knowing that I dont have a solid number.

Is this some kind of addiction #close?? Or Am I mentally putting too much pressure on myself; is it common to feel this way?

Hery Marc

You seemed to answer your own question- I think you know it is an internal thing. An inner game issue.

Did you really expect to get 100% success?

It depends what you call success.
Some guys think approaching a girl is success- and they are completely satisfied with that!.....then they up their own game standards .

You have to ask yourself what level of success you are satisfied with....

Even if you get a number, it does not mean that it is valid. A girl can give a number out of politeness...to save having conflict.

Are you frustrated that you cannot meet any of these girls for a second time?

Sean

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Sean,

Actually I have a very low flake rate. I get flakes but my dating life is very active so meeting girls back is not an issue and thats not wht I'm talking about here. And I also doubt if inner game is an issue here. Its this whole thing about whenever you get out sarging you've got to have numbers the next morning thing. Doesnt matter even if you wake up next to your ONS but your notepad should have a few new numbers. Waking up without any numbers is kind of frustrating.......

Thats what I mean Marc

You are getting everything BUt the number- and it's pissing you off.

It's like the ten pin bowler who can get everything but the strike...

You need to step back and realise what you are achieving!...You are getting much more than a number!

However, if you are wanting numbers....

A girl can give a number out easily, but never answer

I think you are raising your kino too quickly- hence why she doesnt give you her number.

"this guy is all about the physical! I've kissed/slept with him.....but it happened too quickly!!"

Girls panic.

If you want their numbers- slow down with your physical escalation. Yes, girls respond to your touch......but they regret it later if it is too quick.....and they prevent you ever doing it again by limiting contact.

Sean

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I'll elaborate on my above post because I went through this feeling too..and I understand how most guys lose out in this respect...

A girl will gladly respond to your flirting. She does it playfully. She may think she can get a drink or a nice kiss out of it.

You (a guy) will think this as her being intimate and wanting more. So you push forward....leading into hugs, kisses, playful snuggling on the couches at the bar, wrapping around each other on the seats etc....

If you are the guy who gets this too quickly- then you will never get her number, and you will never get to see her for a second day.

Why?
So if you are the guy who gets everything but the number- then you know you push her too far too quickly.

You have to be tolerant to her receptivity

Get her interested WITHOUT the physical plateau's of kissing and sex.

If it comes to a kiss......leave it there, and let her miss you. Then she will give you her number to continue it further

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You bring up a lot of good points and are right on them.

However, I guess I could have been a little more clearer in my initial post. My problem is not with caliberation or knowing what to do to make her wanting more and get her to meet me. My question is more focused towards say a guy get lays everynight and hence the day he doesnt get layed but gets 20 numbers be may feel like a failure at the same time a guy who gets numbers and dates every single day would consider himself a failure if he gets MORE than that but not numbers and dates.I guess in the process I am answering my own question

I wanted to know whether the mpuas or guys who have been in the game for long feel this too?

I have to admit I'm a bit lost from your post...

I have had...
numbers with dates
numbers with sex

no numbers with dates
no numbers with sex

numbers without anything

Hope somebody else can help you out with this number issue

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Marc, go out for a good time not for numbers. If you have a good time then nothing is wrong, if you go out and get some numbers then that's a bonus. There's more to life than sarging.

read some Tolle





bro

Thts the reason I asked opinion of guys who have authority over the subject or have been in 'the game' for long. No newbies.

I think I'm going through this phase where since I get numbers and dates all the time that has become my reality. Its almost like seeking validation for how good am I. The nights where I am too busy making out or pulling ONS(s) I wake up feeling that I havent 'done well' and the ONS doesnt count as good game.

I did some reading on this and am trying to understand the different phases that PUAs go through while they are improving their game.