I have a problem with attracting and keeping girls, not because im fugly - or because I smell. After reading through The Game this week, I now realise why. It's because I've always been to bloody nice. Not cocky, or arrogant enough to keep girls interested and wanting to come back for more.

Fortunately, or unfortunately I have met this very beautiful girl who I've been out with twice and I became so aware of my lack of game and though I was relaxed, I felt very frustrated that I didn't know how to take it to the next level where she clearly knows I am attracted to her. This was before I read The Game.

It's been over two weeks since I last saw her and I know I need to ask her out to give myself the opportunity to really work something with her so that she begins to feel attracted to me. She is girlfriend material and I'd like her to be a gf rather than a one night stand.

But I haven't ask her out because I am afraid I will end my chances with her, that's if I don't take it to the next level in terms of being seen as someone she wants to be with.

I've done dinner, drinks, and a walk in the park.. but I know, it's not where I take her.. it should be about what I say and do. And I really don't know how to deal with this... N. Strauss' The Game mainly discusses pulling chicks to get em laid, but that's not my ultimate goal with this girl; it's much more than that.

Any comments would be appreciated.


Fink

Okay i know where you coming from,i liked this chick and i would do the whole nice guy act and i could never get her attracted to me.That was before now everyday i see her i either insult her or fight with her and since then she has been trying to get with me.The point to this story is that you should get cocky and treat her as if she isnt the only girl around but at the same time you shouldn't over do it be nice as well just dont be a push over.This is push and pull and it will help you alot.

Marshy

yah i have the same problem your not alone

one thing you go to do is start kino ecaltion

take her hand, then pull it away

she will feel this loss and grap her hand again

if you dont have kino escalation the attraction will die out

do kino test you got to grow some balls when it comes to this

this is a mistake made today

i also suggest you read magic bullets and read and take alot of notes it will answer all your problems

Thanks guys.

I guess I definately need to kino escalate here and build comfort. I think cocky funny will apply here as well as that will help build her comfort level as well.

i'm just having problems figuring out whether i should take her out alone, or in a group of people.... i have already been out with her alone twice, but i dont want akward moments again, so going out with a group seems a safer bet?

I'd strongly urge you to drop the whole nice guy routine. You're just going further and further into the LJBF zone if you're not there already.

You've heard of cocky funny I take it, so have you joined David DeAngelo's mailbag. If you haven't, I'd encourage you to do so. He sends out newsletter every 3-4 days. Sometimes he's just repeating himself, but I think his material about being cocky funny and not a Wussy applies here. Will help you a great deal.

I hope there's still time for you to swing this one around, some girls can be gotten in 7 hours, others will wait around for 5 months. Yeah, I know, go figure.

If you're looking for a relationship and you've been building lots of comfort with the girl without kino escalating, then you need to start doing so before even attempting a kiss and whatever you do please please please don't reveal your feelings or I'll have to reach through your computer screen and bitch slap you. David DeAngelo will do that for me though, he can't stand it.

I've made the mistake before and lost the girl, that was many years ago and I've learnt my lesson. Don't do what I did.

I'd strongly urge you to drop the whole nice guy routine. You're just going further and further into the LJBF zone if you're not there already.

You've heard of cocky funny I take it, so have you joined David DeAngelo's mailbag. If you haven't, I'd encourage you to do so. He sends out newsletter every 3-4 days. Sometimes he's just repeating himself, but I think his material about being cocky funny and not a Wussy applies here. Will help you a great deal.

I hope there's still time for you to swing this one around, some girls can be gotten in 7 hours, others will wait around for 5 months. Yeah, I know, go figure.

If you're looking for a relationship and you've been building lots of comfort with the girl without kino escalating, then you need to start doing so before even attempting a kiss and whatever you do please please please don't reveal your feelings or I'll have to reach through your computer screen and bitch slap you. David DeAngelo will do that for me though, he can't stand it.

I've made the mistake before and lost the girl, that was many years ago and I've learnt my lesson. Don't do what I did.

hahaha i agree with him lol

but seriously it wont go anywhere if you dont

im still trying to drop the loser nice guy act as well

dont try to act cool or tough

just be social and friendly

you have to implant that only reason you like girls is to have sex with them

but we arent asking to be a beat-down guy (hey its your choice) so i suggest you do what i said earlier and read some magic bullets

Hadn't heard from this girl i around 8 weeks. Though't I had blown it since the last thing I sent her 8 weeks ago was a text message inviting her out. Since then I didn't contact her.. I now know that I shouldn't be doing the chasing here.

But last night I was amazed when I got a message from here apoogising about not calling back etc etc, that life was hectic. I was amazed that I;m still in with a chance, even though on the 2 occasions I met her, I did everything you shouldn't, according to The Game.

Now, I know I must play the game.. but being new to this scene and some what naive - I have no technique, don't know any routines. Reading some of Mysterys stuff I know it's important to build comfort initially.. but I need practice..

Ethan, thanks a lot for pointing me to DeAngelos mailing list. It looks very useful..

I have a little concern after reading one of his latest emails though. He said:
He is talking about being more:

1) Being independent

2) Being indifferent

3) Being funny

4) Being socially adjusted


Unfortunately I need to work on all of these. So I'm wondering how learning techniques will actualy help with these?

I don't think anyone has the time to re-count the steps backwards in life to learn where we went wrong. Moving forward, I will certainly look to develop myself towards the above qualities, but in the meanwhile I have this cute girl to attract.

I want to make her feel more comfortable, because she comes across kind of nervious.

How does a newb proceed in this situation? Do I learn techniques and then go sarging to practice? I know a lot of people first practice by just approaching strangers and making a comment or asking a question, just to build confidence.

What are your thoughts?

hey look at my post "to young to be a PUA" you will find your answers

You need to stop worrying about being inexperienced and all this shit. Its called PRACTICE. Needs to happen sometime, might as well happen with her. Who knows, maybe you aren't that bad and you'll land her. You have the tools and knowledge, now its time to put it into action.

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After reading your post I can tell you one thing right away: SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE YOUR GF. PERIOD you know why because you come from a scarcity mentality ! you dont know shit about this girl, you have spent only 2 weeks with her, she doesnt have any emotional or physical connection with you. Is she invested in you, NO. Are you, YES! Thats not how it works. Shez gotta dig you mate.

Apologize for being harsh but its for your own good.

I'd say try push and pull, if you know what that means. If you havent yet initiated Kino than dont start off suddenly, that would creep her away.

dont change ur entire personality
do what style does and just add pieces from everywhere
but still have ur core self and the chicks will pickup on it