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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:08 pm 
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I don't think the importance of "State" is discussed enough in the community. As a newbie I read tons of material & rarely heard a mention of it even as a concept much less a goal to strive for, & certainly no hints to help me capture it. Maybe it would have been so far out of my reality as a newbie it would have been a waste of time, but I think it would at least help to learn the concept of it earlier so that I would have seen evidence earlier too & been able to concentrate more on the things that helped obtain it.

I think “state” is everything. If you have it you can open with about anything & for me it’s like a force that draws people to you, at the same time being a shield that protects you from negativity & allows you to do whatever you want. A few months ago & at 1st started noticing things changing & just classified it as more confidence. I think it's more than just confidence now. For me it's also being in a happy mood plus confidence. Basically supplying the energy & bringing the party.

I really started to really wrap my head around it about a month ago after Blueprint Decoded. The breakdown in it has allowed me to better understand what is happening the last month & has helped my consistency getting it. Some nights I can get it to an 8 or 9 level or even recently I hit what I think is a level 10 but I still have some 5 or 6 level nights too.

Best way I could describe the 10 level night for me is like if you have ever played basketball & were in the zone and felt like every shot you threw up would go in or just the overall feeling you feel the second your favorite sports team won on the last play of the game & having that feeling for several hours. Felt like superman in the club.

I wouldn't hesitate for a fraction of a second if I saw a girl I wanted to talk to & I was there in 2 seconds and words flowing out that I don't even remember what was said but usually opened beautifully. I could walk around in level 10 state and all eyes seemed drawn on me unless it's was really unconfident people that quickly look down in submission as I pass. I could even see the minute most women look at me their eyes flash for a second & get big with attraction & some dudes almost with a smile and nod like your the man or even say it if I met them, or even some look away in submission. It's insane.

Even the occasional negative reaction from a girl I would get didn't affect my state and was internally more like I can't believe she doesn't want to talk to me. I even chuckled a little unintentionally in one girls face & probably had this look of like I can't believe you are blowing me out. I was so in the zone that I reverse blew that chick out because I could tell she was floored by my reaction not that I had tried to.

One unexpected downside I even found never heard mentioned was I was SO much in state that when I playfully teased some girls, (I'm talking hot ones), I knew were attracted to me I could see the effect was like negging them to hard or negging a girl that's a "6" or something I'm guessing becuase my value was so high at that point.

I really want to bottle this & have it all the time or get more consitant. Anyone got any advice I might have not have read or that can relate to a level 10 of state & how they get into it?


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hey great post, and I also agree with the limited talk about "state". State is a great addition to everyday game and if you can be in state even most of the time; you will see much improvement in your game. Everything seems easier and funner (if thats even a word). One way my friends and I try to get in a better state before going out is usually making sure were going out with a good group of people, making sure everyone is in a good modd and ready to have fun- no downer people! We usually chill, play some games, do a shot, and talk about everything and good ways to open tonight, and some other fun things before going out then listen to some really great music on the way out. State is great; but the most important part of being a pua is having fun! enjoy it!

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My ritual the last month before I go out assuming I'm well rested (if not I nap)

#1 I meditate some & do some various other breathing exercies including the Sean Messanger one I found on here, & get really relaxed & feeling good.

#2 I do some self hypnosis in this relaxed state & have about 20 minutes of "reverse" affirmations I recorded on my phone that I play back while in this relaxed state & basicly attatch up memories or evidence to why these positives are true in my mind.

#3 I top it off by playing what ever my favorite songs are that week before I go out & get up and dance or play air guitar to it & have a couple beers.

Probably silly but it seems to work well enough to get me to the club in a good state most of the time & to the point I can build on my state. My state is still very much ego driven though rather than core confidence although I go in with a higher default state of core confidence than I once had.

Anyone got other tool I could add to the ritual to pump my state to a 10 level consistantly before I get to the club?


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State is nothing more but a carefree, happy, positive emotional state.
You can't force it.

What I do to get state:
-Chinese Firefight: Basically when you stop your car infront of red traffic light, you and your mates jump out of the car and start running circles around the traffic light until the light is green. Then you jump back into the car. All done as fast as possible.
-Warm-up music: Play the music they play in the venue to get you relaxed around that kind of music. It'll be like walking in your own living room.
-Warm-up sets: Start high-fiving people, have a talk with the bouncer/bartenders
-If you're still feeling stifled: The Starfish: Stand in the middle of a busy road, spread your arm wide and yell: IM A STARFISH IM A STARFISH IM A STARFISH ETC (credits to rsd). What's worse? Getting arrested/driven over or approaching girls?


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Not much is written on state, becuase outside of scenarios when you are prepared it is useless.

It's like learning martial arts for self defence, "I didn't get a chance to warm up before he jumped me" isn't an excuse. Your training should of accounted for that.

Martial artists who choose to focus on self defence train for situations where they are caught by surprise or in a disadvantagous situation, e.g. attacked while climbing out of their car.

Similarly, if you become dependant on a ritual state for sarging, what you gonna do strolling down the high street and that "10" wanders past you?

Learning to be attractive is far more useful and productive than having an attractive "state" to enter.


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Not much is written on state, becuase outside of scenarios when you are prepared it is useless.

It's like learning martial arts for self defence, "I didn't get a chance to warm up before he jumped me" isn't an excuse. Your training should of accounted for that.

Martial artists who choose to focus on self defence train for situations where they are caught by surprise or in a disadvantagous situation, e.g. attacked while climbing out of their car.

Similarly, if you become dependant on a ritual state for sarging, what you gonna do strolling down the high street and that "10" wanders past you?

Learning to be attractive is far more useful and productive than having an attractive "state" to enter.
I think state is a fun little gadget in pick-up. But like Fin said you can't always count on it to be there.

That's why having fun always comes before state.
Don't obsess that much about state and let the good times roll.


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i agree that you can't force being in state. but you [img]can[/img] get yourself into more of a talkative state.

when i'm not in state, i just try to pretend i am, the best i can. it is very difficult though.


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Not much is written on state, becuase outside of scenarios when you are prepared it is useless.

It's like learning martial arts for self defence, "I didn't get a chance to warm up before he jumped me" isn't an excuse. Your training should of accounted for that.
Well I do meditate some each day & try to get in a happy mood for myself & hopefully one where I am not caught totally off guard without my best foot forward if an opportunity arises, but when you know you are going out 3 or 4 nights a week, I don't see the downside of preparing your state ritualistically or how that could be useless. I'm no martial artist but I expect they have rituals before they KNOW they are going to spare.

I have gotten some consistency out of training my state & it's getting stronger & more consistant. Kind of reminds me of a martial artist who also lifts weights and strengthens his body for weekend sport fighting competitions.

The fact he can stay in the competition longer because he has strengthened himself though getting bigger muscles & gets some victories he might not have or at least as early means IMO he has to learned more and some of that or confidence carry over to spontaneous situations he didn't actively prepare for like being jumped. I kind of see it the same way. Sure if i didn't lift or in my case pump my state, with more practice I would probably get stronger anyway & it would come just like mucles, but why take more punishment and losses in the meantime when you don't have to.


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Martial artists who choose to focus on self defence train for situations where they are caught by surprise or in a disadvantagous situation, e.g. attacked while climbing out of their car.

Similarly, if you become dependant on a ritual state for sarging, what you gonna do strolling down the high street and that "10" wanders past you?

Learning to be attractive is far more useful and productive than having an attractive "state" to enter.
That doesn't seem like a good reason not to try to prepare myself when i'm in my element in the structure of a bar I know that I know I will get to use my skills & know what to expect. Again don't see how a ritual hurts. It can only help you build reference experience & confidence aided by this state. I'm pretty much garbage in spontaneos day game because I don't have a lot of experience & it's out of my element, but I don't understand how not pumping myself up for night game & being a chode at night too would help solve the other? If anything the fact I know I can do it at night I think helps what little day game I have.


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Great post man. You described what having state feels like exactly. I like how RSD describes it....

-Having high self esteem all the time. When you go out and buy a new shirt, you look and feel great with that new high self esteem. Just knowing you are the a fucking cool guy all the time.


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Great post man. You described what having state feels like exactly. I like how RSD describes it....

-Having high self esteem all the time. When you go out and buy a new shirt, you look and feel great with that new high self esteem. Just knowing you are the a fucking cool guy all the time.
That's of course is the end game & where I'm trying to get to & everyone should be going. I would love to feel like that all the time, hell even if I never got laid because of it. I know much of my state is currently pulled off outside factors and validation of others still which I am trying to actively change. Without Blueprint I don't know that I would have ever put together that that was a bad thing or at best it would probably have taken me a lot longer to figure out. TD said 's not an over night thing.

That's why I think State is important to talk about especially for those that aren't aware of it. I think it's something though in general that most newbies or intermediates really don't pay enough attention to. Heck everyone really could beniefiet from that theme of Blueprint as it's really more self help related.


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state definetly exists.....and i think it is quite important indeed.

I don´t think the question is to put yourself in a state of mind suitable for some environment.
What you should do is to simply put yourself in the state of mind positive enought to work ANYWHERE and ALL THE TIME.

In fact I think if you are unable to do it. You better stay at home :)

When I do sales at work, I go through similar process. I put some nice suit on in the morning, sunglasses, music in my earphones.....i look in the mirror, check that I am sharp and i´m on my way. In 10 minutes of walking on the street ¨i am flying half a meter off the ground¨ with a big smile on my face.....all people looking at me and adding even more to my confidence levels.

If I am sick, hangover or whatever and I look at myslef in the mirrow in the morning and i don´t like what I see, i pick up the phone and cancel the meeting. Cause i know very well, my chances of a sale are slim with that kind of levels of energy.


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State is chill, not fireworks. This is a big one, most guys have no idea that state is not something exciting, not something flashy or even something extravagant, the coolest people you have known in your life and alpha males all have a chill vibe about them. This is true state, what Jeffy calls a burning coal. It is EASY to be consistently chilled-out or relaxed, it’s as simple as adopting an ‘it’s all good attitude’ and having some willpower to not let petty things get under your skin. If you’re always operating from an ‘it’s all good’ attitude, and you don’t get into bad state by letting people or incidences (the external world) get to you, then simply taking actions of your own choice (following your core) will ignite the nimbus. You will draw state from within. As a man it’s when you’re doing something you want to do that you’re most aroused. You influence others with this arousal and it makes you attractive. This state, unlike fireworks state, is the infinite well and never burns out – making you always attractive.
Part of an article I found on rsdnation.


http://www.rsdnation.com/alexander/blog ... der-part-2


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Part of an article I found on rsdnation.


http://www.rsdnation.com/alexander/blog ... der-part-2
That's actually a well written article series by Alexander. I found a lot of other helpful articles on RSDnation as well. Cool link.

Funny thing was about a year ago Alexander got a lot of flack for an infield video, I saw a lot of PUA's like Sinn, Mehow, Speer etc making funny of him and RSD on youtube and many of the RSD concepts like "nimbus". They even did a knock off parody of that video called Cirle of Oi.

I like Sinn and Mehow and have found a lot of their stuff really helpful, especially Sinn, but I think I'm a bigger fan of TD and RSD myself. Fix the inner game and the rest of game is pretty much irrelavant.


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I disagree. RSD bang on about state 24/7. Remember TD explains that while it could be one of the most powerful 'tools' in your arsenal, if you don't fully understand it, it will be your greatest downfall every time you go out, because you're 'trying' to achieve state, which is of course paradoxically counterproductive.

Personally I think a thorough understanding of 'state' is great, but trying to 'use' it as a 'tool' in your arsenal is completely wrong because you can't 'try' and achieve state, you just assume it or it develops.

Furthermore, I don't think anyone needs to know about state to be great at seduction. Because those who are highly skilled, will be entering and manipulating state naturally. I don't think about it when I'm out, but it's a great feeling when you're in it.


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I disagree. RSD bang on about state 24/7.
True, but outside RSD I havent heard or read much about it. RSD was about the last seduction company I really looked into. Which is why as a newbie I never read anything about it. I had such a negative opinion of RSD after reading "the game" that I only started reading their material after I had read just about everyhing else out there & it was about all that was left. Now they are my faviorite company.


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