I made a goal to approach at least 2 girls before I went out to the bar. I ended up approaching three, but all of them were crash and burn. I am pretty disappointed, but understand I have to keep trying. I think my biggest problem is AA...i have a huge case of AA and i want to get rid of it. I think if I practice on day game then night game will become easier...do you guys agree?

You feel disappointed cos it didn't work out.
be smart and look for reasons why it didn't work out.
why did you crash and burn? Where did you go wrong?
If you treat each approach like a BIG DEAL then it becomes a big deal which it really isn't.

Who gives a Fck? The girls don't even know you. and you probably wont see em again so go out and do it again. Persistence is what counts.
(I am pretty much at the same stage as you but when I persisted is when I succeeded.)

two cents

Thanks for the advice dude I will use it and be more persistent...

Neil Strauss became an expert through analysing each night, he said:

"I realized the downside to this whole venture. A gulf was opening between men and women in my mind. I was beginning to see women solely as measuring instruments to give me feedback on how I was progressing as a pickup artist, they were my crash-test dummies identifiable only by hair colours and number-a blonde 7, a brunette 10."

You have to understand that there is no magical pill, elixer of life that will transform you from an AFC, Beta, or what ever you classed yourself before your progression to where you want to be. You have to see what works and what does not and your confidence will grow. When I started I would be lucky to get the three you got, but I put my time and effort in and learned what worked and basked in success after that.

In other words don't throw the fucking towl in. Also night game is a harder environment to what you are used to, but if you master it, it becomes easier as you have your target audience in age, hot and ready for a night of fun in a close environment where physical play is more important, due to noise etc.

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Keep at it pal, im similar to you I set targets like that and AA kills me. I may be naive as a newb, but I think AA never truely goes away, its hardwired into us. I believe its all about battling through it and learning to manage it. The nerves in the approach are actually starting to give me a buzz as iv had a couple of successful sets.

Stick with it mate

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Once again, thanks for the advice im going to try to approach at least two women tonight again when I go sarging...I will keep you guys posted on how tonight goes...

First up dude - well done for putting yourself out there! How many times have we all been out with the guys and they spend the whole night clutching the beer bottles in a corner somewhere eyeing up the cute girls?

Then by the end of the evening once they've had a few they pluck up the courage to go on the dance-floor and make complete oafs out of themselves.

Crashing and burning is all part of the game. I'm no expert but after every cock-up, I do analyse where I went wrong and what I should've done better.

The trick I think is to be self-critical in your gaming methods but not be self-critical towards yourself as a person.

Hahaha, don't worry bro, everyone gets it, like the other guy said, it's pretty much hard-wired.

On one of my first nights I tried to open a girl and she immediately screamed at me "FUCK OFF!!!", so you could have done a lot worse. Seeing as that's pretty much the worst reaction from opening that's possible, short of being physically assaulted, and I laughed it off and am still going, you know you really have nothing to fear.....that's what i always tell myself to help with AA. Even disasters make you better. If you crash, shrug it off and move on..........................

Thanks guys for the support...I went out today and tried to make one decent approach and it actually worked the HB bought it and my friend told me as I was leaving she was talking about it to her friends and when i glanced over to her as I was leaving she was twirling her hair and smiling at me, which I think is a good sign...unfortunately I am an AFC still and could not progress further than the opener haha

Hey bro, This is my sticking point and jeez it is very frustrating! Yesterday, sitting on the beach, get visual twice so I say,
me- excuse me, but do I have loads of suntan cream on my face?
her- what?
me- do i have loads of cream on my face?
her with confused look on her face, her friend says to her, the guy is asking if his face is really white with cream.
her- ah, no, no it isn't.
me- showing thumbs up and big smile, thanks alot. She smiles back.
just then my son comes bounding out of nowhere and the girls just sit there looking at me and him. i don't continue.

that is exactly where i am underdog. i just can't get past the opener. It sucks.
But maybe coming from the frame, "I am an interestnig person, I want to meet interesting people" could help. Who knows. Plus what I want really is just to have a conversation and forget the number close, to get good at talking.
Keep us posted dude,

NO, to answer your question do not start with day game, it is actually more difficult. Think about it, girls in the bars and clubs are in a proper social setting to feel more comfortable with a guy talking to them. They are dressed up all nice and pretty, they have friends there to mingle with and get opinions on guys from, they have probably kicked back a few so they are alot more loose and open to guy having a good time with them and making there good time better and it is the stereotypical place a girl would be more likely to want to meet a guy.

Day game is more advanced and im actually about to post a field report from today at the bus stop. But so many things fall into play with day game. Usually the girls are not dressed up and dont want to talk to a guy and if u neg them when there low they will think your an asshole. They are usually trying to get somewhere so there not seated wich means you have 180 them and divert there attention to whatever canned opener your going to use. Now because they are in a hurry if you dont make that canned opener flow into a subject that gets her to think, deliberate or imagine something interesting your shot and she going to say well it was nice meeting you but i have to go blow some other guy with a better game plan.

Dont get me wrong Day game gets all to easy after a while but start off in the bars, and the best way to get rid of AA is to just go in there find some dude who looks like he is having a good time and have a good time with him and all his friend social proofing yourself, build up some confidence and just know that if a girl is uninterested you can just go back have a good time and maybe your new found friend and wait for another opportunity. Also Build up a little liquid courage...works every time.

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great post onthefrontline...i didnt realize it but you are right...daygame is probably much harder than nightgame but i think i will start with daygame because it is less espensive haha and i wont have to spend money at the bars/clubs that often

You need to elaborate more on exactly what happened.
What did you say, she say, how was the body langauge, etc..

If you want people to actually give you advice instead of
saying good job for trying your gonna have to write in more
detail.

Ya im gonna laugh if one of my posts ends up in some guys book one day with his name next to the quotes...Ive been carrying a handbook with me everyday writing down everything that comes to mind and all my experiences about the PU arts for about 2 years now...lol but i just recently discovered this website. Its funny because everything i learned on my own was very similar to things you read in books like The Game but i just learned it all through trial and error...I think what "Style" did was punch the equation in on a calculater and there was the answer...i went through the entire formula and in the end the results are very similar.

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Mystery has a 3 second rule that I use to overcome AA. I just approach a set right away and that way dont give myself anytime to have AA