Mystery definately is.
Strauss isn't, however, at the time Strauss started going in for PUA, he was a celebrity of some sort and had a lot of prominent celebrities as friends. That's why it's a completely different story. The same goes for rock stars. So taking them as an example is not a proper thing to do.

And btw, I tried checking out couples in the tube, in the City... I did not see ONE SINGLE couple with a HOT girl and an unattractive guy. So this still remains bullshit.

Like I told you, I did get hot girls several times, but in that case they were like very expensive prize for me. And they've always used me as a transition until they found someone attractive. It's killing me softly.

What they say is 'Keep trying', but motivation is very low, when you keep trying all over again and get very poor results.

At least I am happy, that I do not have a disability of some sort.
My friend, who's been through couple of bootcamps, told me the story... That they had a guy with a squint. The coach secretly admitted, that he did not know, what to do with that guy. So, he had to use most of the money, that the guy paid for the bootcamp, to hire an escort and set-up this as a successful approach.

Really, you've got to be kidding me that you haven't seen an attractive girl with an ugly ass guy. Don't relate this to MTV, because MTV specifically picks beautiful men and women.

But to tell you the truth, I've dated beautiful women who had absolutely nothing that made them entertaining, and I ditched them. At the same time, I've dated some ugly women, that were a trip to be with. My ex GF looks like a scarecrow, but she attracts TONS of men. My other ex gets hit on all the time, but I only dated her for a month because the ONLY thing she had going for her was looks. PS I still really want to be with the scarecrow, lol.

Me, I'm not fit, I'm 5'8ish, 150lbs, so not in the best of shape. I make 30,000 a year as a student. I've only been in the PUA forum for 2-3 months, but its already working out well. It does take a long time, and this can be frusterating. 2 months ago, when I first started, I'd freak girls out, got rejected ALOT. The thing is, so would alot of my really good looking guy friends.

However, my friend picked up these 2 gorgeous chicks the other night, and I ended up talking them home. I'm still learning, as nothing happened over at my place, but the point is I brought them back, and he ended up asking me if he could come, and then left early.

Also, tonight, the AMOG (he was 6 foot, fairly built, but he was needy, and wanted the girls attention too obviously) was giving me shit all night around 3 hot chicks, and by the end of it the 3 hot girls gave me there phone number. He quit giving me shit for a while, but then threatened to kick my ass, and I gave him a quick, whitty, neg, that pissed him off but made the hotties laugh. Something about not everyone can be a happy fun drunk.

The point is, even for guys in my opinion, that personality does matter more than looks. I've met some of the most attractive women in the world, but only because of there personalities. Yeah they were good looking enough to bring into public with me on my arm, lol, but they had this "thing" about them that drew me into them.

THAT is what I want to learn, is how to be a guy that can be that way to women. It works for everyone.

Cheer up man, we all get very frusterated with the opposite sex. That is why we are all here on this site.

Start with 1 step at a time...the setup, make yourself look more attractive. If you can approach a set and get IOIs, even for only 2-3 minutes then use that confidence to take the next step in the process.

And speaking of lying to yourself (she rejected me because of a bad day, not because I am unattractive) - this is the most terrible lie.
Because as soon as you face the reality like I did - outcome is going to be very unpleasant. You can't remain zombie for the rest of your life.
I know, that most people hate facing the truth as it is often ugly. That is the reason many play video games and that is why reality shows are so popular.

So quit then. You've already defined your reality for yourself: You're an ugly fellow and women will always leave you. Expect a life of loneliness and pain. Start saving up your money for hookers and call girls, since that will be the only female company you will have for the rest of your life.

I don't see how this "reality" if yours is somehow any better than the optimistic guy who says "Today was a bad day but, tomorrow will be a better day. I'll try again then". The guy who keeps trying (even if he is ugly like a beast) is always going to have more success than the guy who simply gives up.

Your self-pity is a major mood killer and it's bringing me down. Perhaps this is the reason women do not want to be around you? Even over the internet you exude negative energy, and nobody wants to be around that.
~Antithesis

Looks and money are nothing more than social conditioning. Thus are not a factor for success.
I could start a hype we all should wear glasses and pay with seashells and if enough people think that's an awesome idea more people will follow.
Resulting in a major shake-up of your reality.

Self-fulfilling prophecies: I'm so ugly, girls will leave me. Guess what will happen to that reality whenever a girl flakes or shoots you down.

I had been trying to keep positive attitude for a very long time. But like I told you - all proved to be in vain.
I put big bets on PUA before realizing it was all pretty much fake and a very successful attempt to make money on desperate yet optimistic guys.

Do you all really believe it's fair:
1. I am approaching girl with a creative opener or a joke and get rejected;
2. Somebody approaches her and tells her 'Hi, what's up?' and just because he is good-looking, she instantly starts joking and keeping up the conversation herself;

I've started this post only to see, if you, people, really believe that looks don't matter? Especially when a bunch of good-looking guys, who made one hell of a wealth on desperate ones, claim that 'money and looks don't matter'. You must still believe in Santa Clause and Loch-ness monster as well then.

I gave you a fine example about a guy with squint.

He has thrown in the towl for the count!

Some people are dealt the better hand in life, but you do the best with what you got.

_________________
"That's how you become great, man. Hang your balls out there!"--Copy store clerk (Jerry Maguire)

You seem to be stuck on this idea of "fair". Life is not fair. We all play with the cards we are dealt. Again are you really that ugly or are you just busy feeling sorry for yourself? Are you so ugly you cannot go to the gym, or get a tan, or get a haircut, or use better hair product, or use skin care products, or whiten your teeth, or buy a new outfit to improve your looks? These are all advantages men give themselves; are you saying your looks are so far gone that none of these things will improve you? "Good looking" is a combination of a lot of things, not just one god-given aspect.

PUA is not some magic spell that once you buy the products women are going to suddenly want to sleep with you. PUA does not turn every man into a drop dead gorgeous stud. I'd say a good portion of the guys who purchase the products will only marginally improve their dating practices. But some girls is still better than none, and more girls is always better than some. Even if it only gets the guy one more girl than he normally would... that's still one more than before. You get out of it exactly what you put in. You sound like one of those guys who buys a piece of exercise equipment expecting to get a rock hard body like the people in the commercials, only to use it twice and leave it in the corner collecting dust. Or one of those guys who gets on a diet and stuffs his face with chocolate every night and complains about how he's not losing weight. You have no right to complain about the product if you're not following it, just as you have no right to complain about the PUA materials not working if you have no intention of trying. It's not the book or author's job to get you laid. It's not the book or author's job to make you attractive. That's all you.

Like I said, you seem intent on giving up-- so give up. More women out there for the rest of us.

~Antithesis

Guess you are right... I should give up.
I hate wasting money on fitness clubs, stylish clothes and tanning shops. I'd better save them on prostitutes.

Thanks for all your advices!

i think we should quit taking stabs at this guy, as we have all been in his frame of mind before. I still find myself in that frame of mine at times. I reiterate....


Ever met a girl that wasn't a 10+++++, maybe a 7 or 8? But there was just something about her personality, the way she carried herself, her CONFIDENCE, and the mystery about her?

Me and my type, I love shy girls, who are really cute and quirky. My ex (who became a stripper, lol) had that going for her. She was extremely intelligent, extremely whitty, but she wasn't one of those weird nerdy chicks. The best idea of how to describe her personality was Penelope Cruiz when she starred in Vanilla Sky. She also did this "ohhhh my god...teeeheeee...ohhhh fuck yeah" thing in bed that I've never had a girl ever repeat. She was shy and confident at the same time. Make any sense?

Notice I didn't say a fucking thing about looks, because she wasn't THAT good looking? I mean she was a 7. Truthfully, I wouldn't trade her for someone with the looks of Paris Hilton.

Anyway, keep your head up. These routines and shit are just a "fake it til you make it" way to portray that kind of confidence. Start simple, when your slouching, try to have more confident body language, and do this over and over again to break that habit.

I had acne when I joined, n and K closes galore in those days.

MEHOW!

Look him up, plus style WASN'T getting laid, even when he was hanging out with motley crew backstage.

Looks are a factor, of course they are, who says they aren't?

But ask any girl you know, sexuality when it comes to women is far more than looks, it's often far more semantic.

Nancy Fridays- Women on top

^^^^^
Read it, it's a collection of womens fantasies. You'd be surprised by it's contents.

Hoenstly I don't what you want to prove, I know ugly guys can get girls, so do many many other guys here.

Are you here to learn, or just pile forth your opinion regarded of what stance we provide?

Lol


This is getting to the point I'm thinking he's just trolling.

Lol, read this and it is so funny...
Half of you don't even read my posts and it seems you are just copy-pasting the same stuff. And you guys are calling me pathetic! At least I am not living on dreams

If ur mate, or whoever, looks like Justin Timberlake, women will sleep with him simply because he looks like another high value guy, even if he isnt high value himself... its stereotyping, women will assume he is high value, simply because he looks like another high value guy. This happens all the time.


Get a haircut, shave, join a gym, buy some new clothes, and make it look like you look afterself, and ur on your way. Our looks do matter to some extent, but dont let it take over ur life, or u will never meet anyone dude.

Simonsays ---> I have always looked like Timberlake. No joke. Girls used to always come up to me and say that, especially when my curly hair was grown out, I'm bald now. But at that time, I was lame in every other aspect and got no girls just based on my Timberlake-esque looks.

I'm short, about 5'5" and skinny, about 133lbs. I used to take your viewpoint as far as girls wanting a better-looking or more stronger and taller looking man. I look Timberlake from the neck up, but from the neck down, I look like a Hobbit (minus the hairy toes).

I think MEN are the ones more concerned with appearances. In fact, for a lot of guys that is the only prerequisite required in order to determine if they want a girl.

Women are different creatures. One hot girl I hit on, didn't go for me. Since I live in a small town I was able to see who she ended up with. He was the same height as me, but fat. And ugly. She could be a model likely, but she chose him over me (who looks like Timberlake). I was dumbfounded and still a major afc at that point (in fact I probably still am) and I asked her friend "why would she pick that guy over me?" The answer: He was more fun. Thats it. He had a better more fun-loving personality. I don't like clubs, he loves them. I prefer few people around me, but he likes to have ALL his friends around him all the time. He was simply more interesting and a joy to be around. He trumped me because of this. He was also more alpha, while I was a little bit supplicative.

My point:
Women don't only go for looks like men do. They have a sort-of checklist they run through.

On that list are a number of things:
looks/height (yes, like you I believe this is the main factor)
humourous
intelligent
talkative/well-spoken
stable job or career
cool friends
fun to be around
can protect her
clean/well-groomed
etc etc...

So lets assume that you are butt-ugly BUT you have a great job, can hold your own in a conversation, are funny and well maintained in attitude and appearance.
Thats like four or five points right there that will attract her. I am pretty good on all the above attraction points except height, good job, and having cool friends.

So remember, I agree with you that looks are a big HELP. In fact its probably the best factor one could possess to get a hot girl, but its NOT the ONLY factor they consider. You just have to focus on getting the other areas under control

I think all the mpua guys are all fairly good looking but they also have their "inner game" worked out, which is a big, big part of it. My friend looks just like AFCAdam. JUST like him. But he only talks about video games and his janitor job, he gets ZERO girls...I don't know anything about AFCAdam but I read on the thundercat website that he does very very well. Then why, does my friend who looks just like him get NOTHING? Its because my friend has NONE of the OTHER attraction points that I listed above.