Guys I need some input on this, I find it really hard to sarge with wings, it isn't down to power struggles or anything (he who opens controls etc) but yar I am having real problems sarging with people. I prefer to go out in a group then break off.


Again I am not sure what I want from this other than related rambling thought processes. The only thing I can think it would be is the pressure of judgement (although I live with these guys so thats no biggy) or the sheer fact I have refined my game to incorporate silences and directness etc where as their style is very much conversational hmmm

im in the same boat. i dont mind meeting girls when im with some friends but a lot of the time i find that they can really get in the way at times and can accidentally fuck you over.

i had a blast gaming my now ex, when i first met her. it was 100% fresh, untapped resource of HB's all to myself to work on. sure it was a little bit of a challenge in the beginning but i pulled through and rocked the shit.

solo is just more fun i find...

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My guess is that you dont want to fail in front of your friends and I can't say I blame ya either. (if thats the case)

One of the basic things of success either as PUA or salesman or scientist is not to care what others think of you...and that includes your friends.

Why not make it a game. Fun stuff. Fuck it up and then laught about it with your wing. Tease each other. Let him observe and give you some input and then you do the same for him.

This only works if you're not the take-no-shit type =/

Yar I have figured out what was up now, I was hitting the types of places they go and trying to mix my game with theirs. We are mixing things up a bit now hopefully doing, a key to the vip games night (did it last ngiht, fucking hilarious), A speed dating night, a club night and a strip club night each week. Then the rest just bar game (I am living with 3 puas SPAM and we have no tv or internet lol)

meh, i still base it on personal prefrence. ive failed plenty of times infront of friends, and the times theyre not there, we always end up sharing some good humored stories about failed attempts the next time we meet up. its all fun and games i go out all the time with friends and dont have too much of a problem meeting girls. its those rookie wingmen that fuck things up (didnt specify earlier), and i know quite a few of them. christ, the things ive seen with some of them...

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and what is this take-no-shit type?
sounds like a guy with an ego of an elephant, but balls of an ant to me.

If you haven´t seen the movie ¨Pulp fiction¨ do so. There is a wonderfull line.

¨Fuk pride, pride only hurts, it never helps¨

No, its the kind of person that doesn't put up with people running their fuckin mouths.

This is exactly the case. There are guys who talk their mouths off, then there are the C&F guys, then there are the plain charmers, magicians, story tellers etc.. They all control the frame but in their own way. You guys have to jell as a team and sometimes that is not the case. Hence you probably feel like doing it yourself.

Let us know how mixing the night goes.

so lets go to my first statement and let me edit in with one word.

One of the basic things of success either as PUA or salesman or scientist is not to care what others think of you and SAY...and that includes your friends.


so I am sorry, but this ¨take-no -shit¨ guy can never make it in my opinion.

It comes down to a case of self-respect.

very true.....if you don´t respect yourself....how can others respect you?

I also prefer to sarge solo. At most I can sarge with one other male, above that, it creates internal competition and other dilemmas.