Do you believe in Karma?
If the many ex-girlfriends of PUAs are correct in saying that PUAs are manipulative people, will PUAs have to pay for their ways? Are they in store for something bad?

everyone is manipulaive in some type of way
we are human. and it is a selfish world. i hate to say it but it is.
i do believe in karma myself though. which is why when i go out and pick up on women, i use ways that i know shouldnt be punishable by sum higher power or wutevv.
i will always put someone before me, given the right situation. i know my parents raised me to be a "good" person (as my society percieves what a good person is).
so being manipulative isnt always a bad thing. i mean if she fell for you, then obviously there was something about you she liked. i usually dont like to quote people but as david deangelo says "attraction is not a choice"
its not like you put some magic potion in her drink or something. you just happen to be a good conversationalist with good hygene and charisma.
and sumhow those things swept her off her feet

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I don't believe in Karma. However, I do believe that we all have to pay for our sins after death.

I don't believe in karma at all.
I don't believe any kind of life after death.
I don't think this vast universe cares what we do.
Girls manipulate guys in horrible ways from a very young age.
Girls like to believe or pretend they are far more ethical and moral than they really are. They do lots of unethical, immoral things. They do tons of manipulating.
And they don't care at all about it. They feel like they're doing nothing wrong.
You know that, don't you?
They are so full of bullshit.
Women are extremely selfish and self centered!
They only want to look at things from their own point of view!
As far as they are concerned, the male point of view doesn't exist!

Men gave away all their power to women in the 20th century.
I see the pua scene as the only way to take back some power.
Life is essentially a battle for status and resources.
It's a war that you have to win by any means necessary.
The pua scene finally gives us a training program.

Basically if you don't manipulate chicks, you're a dumb loser.

I believe in karma but have several rules I go by that ensure the women are always happy.
1. Be honest ten let them choose
2. If you have to get with a girl with a bf again manage expectations
3. Never go for a girl that is drunk etc
4. Cheer up anyone that looks miserable
5. Leave them better than you found them
6. Never end a relationship on bad terms

I think if you follow all of these you become someone who enriches the lives of others and can give women what they want at certain points (ONSs if they want that) without ever lying or manipulating.

If you are both honest about what you want and it matches why not

well personaly, i belevie in karma in the way if you do good things good things happen, n if ya do bad things itl come bak and bite ya in the ass.

and i had the same thought when i first started reading theory a bit ago.

and i came across a mission in "the rules of the game" by Neil Strauss, he said "the guy who fails at the game is the one who goes out looking for women to make him feel good about himself. The guy who suceeds at the game is the one who goes out and makes other people feel good about themselves"

this made sense to me, as if you do make others feel good about themselves they are going to want to be around you and be near you. they are going to like you and want to know your opinion, introduce you to people they know and like. making others feel good is in my opinion a great way to help with your game. im not saying drop negs or anything like that as there is a reason and use for them that goes beyond the level of making people feeling a little more insecure.

the way i see it, if a pua can make a woman feel good about herself, so good to the extent she wants to sleep with him, thats her choice. and the last time i cheked making others feel good was a good thing to do, thus tadaaa good karma the system works people lol

One can look at karma in the context of a PUA dumping a girl after getting her into bed (and breaking her heart). But also in terms of a PUA acting distant, cold, uninterested in other people who aren't his target. For instance, acting cold and uninterested with friendly guys in the same group setting they're in.

Any thoughts?

but also you have to win the group over, and if your cold and distant to them your not going to be able to do that. a pua befriends the whole group, and even tho he may ignore the target at first, he does somthing different to any other guy in the club, he gets to know her as a person.

im not speaking from experience tbf this is personal opinion after reading my theory, ive been reading up around 2 months on the game and in those two months i only did a few approaches. the reason i joined this forum was because i made the mistake of taking the whole being uninterested thing too seriously, also i got negging wrong (bad tiimes lol) so i decided to give myself a kind of refresher course to correct any mistakes i was making as i didnt wanna hurt ppls feelins and be somone i didnt wanna be. (gna start sargin again soon after i get over a few stickys)

as for not calling the girl back and breaking her heart. i think that doesnt depend of the pua, but the person. an AFC may very well do all these things (ingnorin every1 execpt the target and only focusing on her fr what she looks like) cuz n afc's attention is on looks only, if he never calls back ther may be alot more pain for the girl involved as she knows she was used for her looks only. but the pua liked her for who she was. and who knows when out in the feidl you may very well meet the type of person you want to be with.

i think ppl stereotype the sort of person a pua is, but the fact is all of the mater puas and the gurus are completly ther own person, they act so differently they just stick to a similar method of doing things. i think to be successful at this you still have to be you (personaly i wouldnt find satisfaction if i could only get hot girls by acting like someone completly different from who i am) attraction is a mutual thing, you like them for who they are, they like you, for you, not someone your pretending to be, your still youself just with a strong identity and sticking to a method.

When you were still an AFC, and you went on a date, did you dress to impress, or did you wear your sit around the house clothes? We wear our best, because our first impression is "we are sexy and know how to dress" even though some of us never learned how until recently. Thats manipulation right there.
Women are attracted to independence, confidence, etc. We always want to show our best qualities, and what PUA teaches us is to portray these attractive traits. If dressing to impress is manipulation, then so is this shit.

If you continue with this thought process, you're going to have a very unhappy life. Nine times out of ten what you expect in life is what you get. Looking at things from that perspective, re-read what you wrote here and tell me what kind of life those attitudes are likely to yield.

To the OP: Your question presumes that all ladies' men are lying deceitful players who trick women into sleeping with them, when there is actually a large portion of us who are not only completely honest, up-front and down to earth about our intentions but actually love women and don't want to see any harm come to them. I am one of these men. So isn't everyone else I know who is truly happy and successful.

Your boy,
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