That is a piece of wisdom that can extend far beyond just landing women. True dat homie.

I'm still in early teens and call me judgmental,but THAT attitude ^^ is one reason I'm guessing for why you're not a MPUA.What should kino have done?
HB:'Jim'll be coming,lol he's kinda clingy'
Jim:'Hey guys sorry i'm late '
kino:'Oh GTFO!'...¬_¬

It's quite blatant this guy isn't a threat and is most likely a best guy friend ,so by you trying to 'ditch' him or telling him to take a hike,you are seriously hurting your chances with the chick.Girls have A LOT of respect for their close friends,and imo kino will get her because he's playing cool with the situation,just needs to escalate more.As suggested in earlier posts,good teasing,maybe a little bit of reverse psycho on Jim or even befriending Jim is a good way to go.

Cupe.

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I read your post quickly and missed that part my bad.

Though i wouldn't consider myself a MPUA what i would do in this way is try to find some subtle way to show her you are in fact interested in her. From the story it sounds to me that you haven't really shown her that you want to take it to more then a friend level. I'm not saying you have one-itis or that you are head over heels for this girl in any way it's just that females in general whether it's a "HB1" or a "HB10" want to know that you're interested in them. So just find a slick way to throw in there that you're feelin her or if you're complimenting her use a more seductive word then you look pretty tonight.

Again i'm not a MPUA i'm very new to the forums, so everyone could think that what i'm saying is absurb but that's just what'd i try to do.

Cupid_Stunt, you are wise even at your young age. You are correct. The attitude to have is always nothing barthers u. Getting mad or being a dick to a good friend of a HB is a sure way to lose the girl, fast!

~kino

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I'm just so glad I wasn't drinking milk when I read that part about you calling yourself a "MPUA" now thats funny! LOL dont say that again right now you get the noob stamp on your forehead

I can't believe you let her invite another man out on your date. You shouldn't have even allowed her to bring any friends along to begin with her friends will only work against you always. I bet you were thinking oh she'll bring a girlfriend WRONG she another brought dude(talk about a slap in the face) and she's asked your opinion of him of whether he likes her or not.

Who cares what her friends think of Jim(whether he's a loser or not)...she's still hanging around him and also inviting him out while you 2 are supposed to be hanging out on 2 different occasions (think about that for a moment). At least she knows Jim likes her. she doesn't have a clue about your interest. To her your just the dinner guy and the social funny guy. Not the sex guy.

Look you know what you want as a man Stop hiding it assume your roll and lead her.

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Jim is an asset. If he's not a PUA (or at least an RAFC) you can turn him into the perfect wingman without even knowing it. Assume the alpha role and it will constantly remind her of your dominance when he's being beta around you.

Solid advice Reo... but you may wanna be a little more lenient with your "noob stamp". I've actually been out with Kino several times in both Nashville and NYC... the guys no slouch.

First of all, I'm no PUA. I don't think PUA's or HB10's exist either (PUA's and HB10's being the extreme, you can get closer and closer to the limit but never reach it IMO).

I agree with this advice. Ideally, I'd want something like this to happen:


-Jim & HBalmost10 are hanging out, Jim's being clingy.

-I head over and talk to them, acting real friendly with Jim, but keeping alpha. It'd be easy to control the frame since they were having a 2-person convo and would like a third party to introduce some new topics.

-Either I leave or Jim leaves. The next step involves me and the HBA10 alone.

-The next time I'm with HBA10, I mention he's an alright guy. I jokingly ask her how long they've been dating (as trixsta mentioned). She says no. I like the "oh you could have fooled me", sarcastically, followed by the laugh that says 'hes such an AFC and I love it'.

-continue gaming. She either says they are dating (which in this case they clearly aren't), or explicitly communicates that they aren't. The coast is clear and he's seen as just an AFC friend or pet.


Also keep in mind she recently broke up with a 2 year boyfriend. She might be considering rebounding with a different type of guy, so she might be giving a different type of man (possibly even a clingy one) a shot. I've seen hot girls break up with Alpha boyfriends and start dating an ugly AFC to feel secure again. Save her!

Ya, John is a cool guy. Sometimes we all need a little help to push through a few barriers.

Although I do disagree with calling a girl a HB10, still all is well.

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Hey Kino, been an age! Sorry I wasn't around when it was relevant to answer, but hopefully you haven't said anything like, "Why don't you just hang out with "Jim" instead?" because that will end up sinking you quick. I think you're playing it pretty well so far, so keep up with what you've been doing; be the aloof guy who is fucking cool as shit, does fun things like jetski and all the other crazy shit you do, but don't try to shower her with it, just let her see you doing it and bring her along once in a while. She's soon gonna realise that you're a hell of a catch and she'll realise how much of a dink "Jim" is, then she'll pick you over him and she'll be having girls' night out with "Jim" and telling him how good in bed you are.

You da man Kino, you can take this one for sure.

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Occam's razor, also Ockham's razor, is the principle that "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." It is apocryphally attributed to 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar, William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae ("law of parsimony", "law of economy", or "law of succinctness"): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, roughly translated as "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." An alternative version Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate translates "plurality should not be posited without necessity."

When competing hypotheses are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selection of the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities while still sufficiently answering the question. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood. To quote Isaac Newton: "We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. Therefore, to the same natural effects we must, so far as possible, assign the same causes."[3]

To straightforwardly summarize the principle as it is most commonly understood, “Of several acceptable explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest is preferable.”

Originally a tenet of the reductionist philosophy of nominalism, it is more often taken today as a heuristic maxim (rule of thumb) that advises economy, parsimony, or simplicity, often or especially in scientific theories. Here the same caveat applies to confounding topicality with mere simplicity. (A superficially simple phenomenon may have a complex mechanism behind it. A simple explanation would be simplistic if it failed to capture all the essential and relevant parts. Instead, one should choose the simplest explanation that explains the most data.)

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Kino,

I think you should play it cool and let things work themselves out naturally. I think that as time goes on and she is exposed to the two of you more and more, she will eventually enjoy your company more than his. PUA spoils us because it gives us the ability to analyze perosonalities and come to quick conclusions about people. the average hb, even an hb10 does not have this super power .

i think you should just be patient and keep doing your thing. time is on your side.

Yeah as long as you make sure you don't slip into friend zone and just bide your time it'll build more comfort. I know girls who take a lot of comfort to be able to do something.