What is with everybody crying about how many fakes there are on this forum, how many AFC's that give lousy advice and take none, PUA's that masquerade as PUA's and give good advice, but have zero experience, AFC's that are saving up points to cash into a MPUA? Who gives a shit? If guys are here for the "wrong" reasons, let them choose their own broken paths. Who's to say what they're supposed to do to succeed in their lives, isn't that an ego problem right there?

Maybe some guys are just too scared to ever get with a girl, but want to share what they've heard, maybe some are chumps in the field, but brilliant analysts, maybe some are misogynists. Who fucking cares! These are not your little brothers, these aren't even guys you have to like if you don't want to. If you smell BS, then don't buy what they're selling. You're not robots, if you're worried about bad advice, then just ignore the shit. This forum caters to a lot of people with a lot of different goals. If doing shit for a certain reason is wrong-minded in your mind, then don't do it that way!

Everybody's got an agenda, and nobody's "right". For the record, I'm here because I want to find an approach that's congruent with me and will help females (1 or 2) realize why they should be hounding me. If I happen to rack up votes and useless reputation points when I share my experiences (which will always be 100% subjective) and that stokes my ego and confidence and misguides me, then I welcome that. It's all part of the process, which is different for all of us.

Thanks for the rant.






rule1: I am always right
rule2: When my righteousness is in doubt, see rule1.

Man, Im gonna be honest with you. There are a lot of wannabe PUAs who just finished reading the game and think they understood it. There are a lot of stages in the game progression when you think that you have got it. However, as you progress you realize that you were wrong. This realization can only come from in field experience. Things that may seem logical may not actually work. I do not believe in anything that I have not tested in field.

Still, there are a lot of people with no experience who just hand out their opinions to anyone who might listen, thats right, opinions, it is not the same as stuff you know.

In many cases there is no right way to do it but there are definately wrong ones.

Anytime someone gives advice that is not gonna work, and someone more experienced sees it, it is their "duty" to offer an alternative way.

And, no, we dont have to like anyone and we dont have to listen to anyones advice. But we can try to limit the damage an egotripping newbie may hand out.

I see the people here as bros! I will do whatever I can to help anyone who is ready to be helped, naturally, as well as I can, nobody is perfect.

I can see why some of the advice would be problematic. Personally, I hate 90% of the responses to the shit test thread, they're blatantly insulting, weak, and guaranteed to socially destroy a guy that doesn't know better than to use some of them. But really, we have to assume our peers can weed out the damagingly bad advice. If they can't even tell that much, they're dead in the water and need to work on basic social game before coming here. The less bad advise is just a waste of time and doesn't help close, no big deal.

I see what you are trying to say man. And you are not completely wrong.

The problem is that it is difficult for a newbie to know what to believe. The worst advices are the ones that seem great at first.

For instance, we have all been seduced by something that seemed to make perfect sense like negs. So you start loving negs and believe that negs are the solution to everything. Just half a year ago people went around negging everything in sight.

If you look closer at it, a thing like a neg is just a tool to practice an attitude (faking it really) of non needyness.

Now I dont wanna complain about negs, they are just an example.

What Im getting at is that the great charismatic PUA gurus exaggerate the importance of certain parts of the game. The parts they push for depends largely on their own game, their own preference. But in real life, everything matters. There is no such thing as one key to the game. Overdoing any part of it is as bad as not doing it at all...

Ezo

ezo couldnt have said it any better
the tools u learn in the beginning are to show u and train u into the personality that girls find "attractive"
u need to understand why u are using these things u learned
dont be a robot and do everything told
figure out ur own solutions but REMEMBER that u can always refer back to the manual

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just have fun and you will never be dissapointed

I agree with you Ezo, and minzok the reason i posted what i said because i know you are specifically talking about my post is this, if i have a question about something and someone answers my question it's cool, i can weed out the bull shit. But some people that get on here can't, they come on here with no knowledge on anything involving "the game" and are looking for advice. So for someone to call themselves a master to someone who is labeling themselves as a beginner is a misunderstanding. I totally beleive in the more opinions the better but to a certain extent. Its just like politics, who are we to tell someone in iraq how they should live when we know nothing about it? Who are we to tell the iranians that they can protest when they've lived a totally different lifestyle for thousands of years? Just sayin man sometimes no advice is good advice if you aren't sure of what you are talking about.

I have a question. If I am having sex with a gorgeous girl and end up spending more time looking at myself in the mirror than I do her is there something wrong with me? I just noticed on Saturday that I was trying to angle the mirror so that I could only see myself. I am very good looking. I get told that all the time. Maybe that is the thing. I am thinking that it might not be an ego thing. Just that I am one of those guys that everyone thinks is hot.

Man, I have never been in this situation but I have once read a book on a completely unrelated subject and I think it has to do with the color of your socks. Get rid of all your cereal and start having supper for breakfast, that is so attractive to girls between 19 and 21,6.

You're that dude from American Psycho that watched himself while he was banging away during a three-way. I think he then killed one of them by dropping a chainsaw on her, just don't do that part. As an honest recommendation, maybe you'd enjoy filming your lays then? Maybe there's even profit in it, if you're such a desirable guy. It doesn't seem like that bad a problem unless you're not even into the girl at all. That's kinda cruel.

And I mean no disrespect to Sycotic, either, that wasn't my intention. Quite the opposite. I just think in the interest of preserving a positive environment here, we should choose our battles. As for what happens to newbies, which I am, I'm of the mind if they can't sort through the crap, they might have to just sink. As for things that sound like a good idea, but aren't, the only way to know if it works for us personally is to try it out. It's unrealistic to ask mods to filter out people that don't have real world experience or weed out "bad" advice. I guess it's just kind of futile complaining because there's not a solution. Which puts my whole post one rung below that. Bottom line, it's fun to complain and it's fun to give opinions and advice. Warranted or not.

I wear black socks.

I am serious about finding myself very attractive. I know that I am probably the only one in this type of forum who does, but so be it. I am fucked up in many ways. Sometimes I feel that being super hot is all I have going for me. I have no special talents. I am lazy. I am not sociable. I don't have a share in a private jet. I am pretty much like most of the guys on here save for the fact that I am very handsome and sexually active. I am discouraged by this so called PUA junk. It seems to be made only for really young ugly boys. What about those of us who attract females with our looks but not our wit or charisma? PUA seems to discount us.

Not really expat... Many girls have said these words "Yeah, he seemed ok until he opened his mouth". Not about me though...

The forum is like 95% indirect game but there is some direct game sections as well. Just like we tell "unattractive people" to dress better and groom we can tell uncommunicative people to not sound like complete idiots when they speak. You should have both man.

I consider myself attractive as well so we have something in common there and OH, I wear black socks too!