Okay, its 4am here, Im fucking sad and feel like an idiot.

I went to open 2 set, they were just sitting. I talked to them a bit, JUST SOME FUCKING BS, another was HB 8.5 and another HB 5-6. Anyway, I got them following me and 2 my buddies.

We were just walking around, talking bs, listening to music. I threw HB 8.5 "5 questions game", then I gave her a challenge, she has to achieve 5 stars from me to be my friend. She tried a lot, but I only gave her 4.9 stars (doh)

Then, we were sitting. There came some guys, one of them got love-bites, the girls went like "Uuuu, you are a gamer ;)", they just changed almost immediately their object of interest from me to him, he was drunk and so on.

I didnt kino as much as I should have, I didnt have a chance. I forgot all the routines, I forgot all other stuff too. I was not drunk, I froze up when the other guy came. I know this other guy so I didnt want to start AMOGing him.

Should I just have kinoed more, I spent like 4-5 hours with THEM. I got preselection demonstrated, I tried to act alpha as well as possible..

When you are not using kino escalation you are removing a huge element from the game that shows the girl that you are interested in her as more than friends. Also the 4.9 stars out of 5.0 to become your "friend" may have led it the wrong way. 4-5 hours, and not a kiss or anything? She labeled you a friend in her mind and went to the guy that might attract her.

You said you didn't have time for kino. I call bullshit, you can kino when you open and throughout the conversation in almost any situation regardless of logistics.

So you had a few of these routines in mind that you forgot...okay no big deal. You told us all this stuff you did for comfort building but what did you do to build attraction with her outside of preselection you mentioned?

Did you tease her?
Did you get her to qualify to you?
Did you neg her?
Did you use body language to show disinterest?
Were you able to insert any other DHV Spikes?
Were you able to take the conversation sexual?

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Thats rough dude. Props for trying.

not rought at all...he´s actually trying to help him

Did you get her to qualify to you?
-I tried to tease her, but she (HB 8.5) seemed not to like it, she always "turned off" when I teased her, she was like "Yeah...".

Did you get her to qualify to you?
-No I didnt get her to qualify her to you. As I said, I forgot everything I should have done.

Did you neg her?
-Yes I did one or two small negs (they were almost just teasing)

Did you use body language to show disinterest?
-How do you do that...?

Were you able to insert any other DHV Spikes?
-Didnt tell ANY dhv stories.

Were you able to take the conversation sexual?
-No, I couldnt because I had a idea she would mark me as "freak", when we walked there passed by couple drunken idiots that tried to touch their boobs and ass, and tried to take the girls with them.

Hey.
this post reminds me of my night.

Last night, went out with mates, on the dance floor there are these two girls next to me and bumping into me something rotten and looking over and what have you, thought that they were trying to get me to open, so I run my opener,

do you work in the airport? in English.
They think I dont speak Spanish. I sense that I get initial shut down but my target doesnt leave it in nothing. she comes back to me with conversation.

anyway I introduce the obstacle to my friend. She gets talking to him and so I talk to the other girl who asks me a few questions and is isolated. But I can tell that it just aint on. do my thumb fighting routine, do the DHV but it just wasnt happening. within ten minutes they are saying well we gotta go to the toiliet see ya.

ABout half an hour later, I run the same stuff on another girl, who again is bumping into me and coming on and smiling like fuck so I speak to her etc. etc. it seemed to be going ok. I was getting loads of IOIs so I just dont understand why it just doesnt happen.
Go home feeling AFC and like no matter what I could have done it wouldnt have happened. It really feels discouraging...like just wasting my time, like i dont know what the heck i am doing there.

saw loads of set but in the end just didnt go over cos thought what the point? just to get the same conversations going nowhere. fuck it.

Sorry guys but needed to get this off my chest too.

Mr E, I got the same, but what feels worst is really that you wasted your time, but at my situation, drunken AFC stole my girl. -.-

What I should have done else, when I should have done and what?

And another thing was I DIDNT KNOW WHAT I WANTED and because I walked to them to open with "Are you guys shy?", I didnt know should I play more direct game or indirect. I suck at direct, but this what I used was ½direct, ½indirect, and it didnt really work.

Should I have played directly with them?[/b]

Cross your arms and lean away a little, look around like she's boring you and you're looking for something interesting. I've played with negative body language and it makes good stuff happen. When she does something you like, open your arms, lean in, go for eye contact. If she pisses you off, lock down to punish the behavior. Super easy, zero risk, and yields rewards. The game isn't supposed to be easy for us starting out, but JSmooth points out a lot of places for improvement. Today's mistakes are valuable experience, you'll be a little better next week. So don't take it so hard.

Well, should I just try to learn more C&F and these personality things, or some routines or what...?

Hey waewae,

i get where you are coming from. it was your call and some asshole comes and steals the babe out from under you.

it also happened to me recently when i opened this babe and was getting conversation going when suddnely my friend came storming in, he had been knocking them back too, and she was suddenly eyes wide open and giving him major IOIs. I think he did it just cos he was a little pissed seeing me opening this hottie and he was just having to sit back so he obviously thought fuck this.

what i did was to go and open other sets. there were quite a few hotties around so i felt quite good doing that. it kinda got me back on. I could then have gone back to my target and reinitiated conversation. I don't know.

dont beat up on yourself friend. I also feel pretty crap because it feels like no matter what you do you are looking at no success. but suppose if we keep at it, over time we gotta get good....

good luck bro.

Dude, you were there and you had this to say:
"I didnt kino as much as I should have, I didnt have a chance. I forgot all the routines, I forgot all other stuff too.
Should I just have kinoed more, I spent like 4-5 hours with THEM."
You know better than anyone what went wrong, but it sounds like you didn't escalate and you didn't even have a target.

How could I have AMOGed him out of this situation? Or how could I have gained the control of the situation again?

Like I became the one that was just "listening and throwing couple comments", no one asked me anything anymore.

Waewae You look lik eyou are really trying to get some advise but aren't getting any worth while except for Jsmooth. So let me try...
First Mistake. Dont just be there to be there. Always know what you want to do. Have a plan in your head and figure what the logistics are, is she with 2 friends, a group, 1 friend, meeting someone at the club, celebrating B'days etc etc.. Figure out the logistics and know where you want to take the conv. and how do you want to isolate her.

Between Direct and indirect, you cant keep changing between styles because you become a character to the girl and if you go indirect and then start getting direct you may come across as a wired horney douch unless you know how to do it. At this point I discourage you because it sounds like you dont have your game upto speed.
Listening and throwing comments, DLV. You didnt need to Amog him in fact you should have jumped into the conversation and instead of the girl talking to him you should have been the one asking him questions and talking to him. Engage him in a LOGICAL conversation because that would get the girls disinterested, high five him and set him on his way.

You should have had the loudest voice in the group and talked your mouth off with the guy in and cut the girl off from the conversation. I dont know if you can picture this but think about it for sometime.
Dude she wasn't responding to you in the first place, she wasn't having a good time. She just let you entertain her till the time she found someone better. You never had her inorder to lose her anyways.
we live and learn !!


Again, if she wasn't interested then you probably didnt get a good reaction from her

Dont you hate guys like these !! I feel like taking them outside of the club and kicking the daylights out of them.
Dont gimme that shit. Kino is a natural process!! Why the fuck are you guys soo scared of touching a girl. a light touch on the hand etc. a woman loves it, just be classy, non needy, non creepy about it. IF a girl like you she would start the Kino herself by slapping your arm playfully. Got damnit! why are you guys so afraid.
They were just not into you and found a way out, you werent entertaiing them enough for them to be 'into' you. Period.

Stop kicking yourself over this, these things are very natural to happen infield. Even the best ones at their prime have to deal with this. Neil Strauss once said that in hollywood these celebs would come over and chat up his DATE and then pick their numbers, imagine how aweful that would be. Neil Strauss lost his girl friend to a rock star not too long back. So even if you are the best PUA you have to deal with these things.

Mystery, cant keep a relationship to save his life. He still gets blown off too. But thats just the nature of the game so stop kicking yourself over this issue. She is JUST A GIRL no big deal.

Always maintain what I call a flow of energy, meaning if she talks to the guy dont just sit there, immidiately talk to someone else, have a momentum going. I'm not a big fan of the Pick up artist but watch the winner of season 2 in his last challenge, you will notice that he has a constant flow of energy and knows what to do in the presence of a beautiful woman.

Thank you for your answer man!

Now last question, what are the points in my game I should start improving?

Escalation.

Learning to sexualise.

Making it clear that their is a potential for something between you to.

It sounds like their was 4-5 hours where you teasing etc.

And along comes the guy who is capable of showing a sexual side.

Thats what engaged her, this guy has a libido, this guy has a desire.

Mind you only read the first post, so I may of missed a whole load of shit out

How does that sound anyway?