So I was at this bar two nights ago and just chillin with some friends. I make eye contact with this girl and she slips. Okay, there's my opener. So she walks back and I say "Don't worry you are not the first girl to stumble after looking into my eyes" hahaha some bullshit like that. Than I compliment her on her fashion since cuz I have read a lot of shit that women much prefer unique compliments because it sets you apart from all the other d-bag AFCs whatnot and it could show that you are intuitive etc. Well than she goes into this bit about that makes it look like you are trying too hard, or you like dudes. This chick (HB8) said she would rather have a guy say she had great tits (which she did) instead of something like what I did. So what do ya'll think about this? When complimenting girls have you had more success with ones that are unique or the obvious done in a supremely Alpha manner?

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And yeah, This is (still) just the beginning.

This was a quasi-shit test that you probably failed as a result of complimenting her because you "have read a lot of shit that women much prefer unique compliments because it sets you apart from all the other d-bag AFCs whatnot and it could show that you are intuitive etc." rather than a genuine appreciation for the thing that you chose to praise.

In other words, you were doling out compliments based on what you thought she wanted to hear rather than what was in line with your own sense of values. This gives you an inherently weak frame from the get-go.

I will always compliment a fashionable girl because I actually care about fashion and women who know how to put together a stunning outfit are rare (at least where I live). Since this is a compliment that's actually in line with a trait I value in a girl, I start off with an inherently strong frame, meaning I would be unfazed by her testing my confidence.

The lesson here is to compliment because you mean it, not because someone else told you it would "work."

Your boy,
870

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x2 with 870

If a girl has a great outfit on I'll talk to her about it, if she has great tits I'll talk about those... When I'm opening a girl in a serious manner with some sort of comment about her its always genuine... and usually a little sexual. eg:

Me: I love your shoes!
Her: Thanks
Me: So are those ones your "fuck me pumps"?


Really man its all about being authentic or congruent with who you are... I genuinely like fashion so sometimes I talk about, I'm also very sexual so I'm equally authentic in letting that show.

x3 lol

but yar be honest with her, compliment her on what you think is good if her boobs are on display she probably put them there as advertisement (natural peacocking) so go with it.

This.




-Jav


p.s.


x4

Thanks for the tips guys, they have really helped. This is a function of inner game with better inner game I could passed that quasi-shit test like it was nothing. The Power of Nowhas helped me to no end, even since that happened. I lost control of my frame which is a function of inner game, big time. Auf Wiedersehen.

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And yeah, This is (still) just the beginning.

Why would you compliment her at all? You "qualify" (different from a compliment) the girl after you're finished with the attraction phase. Once she's thoroughly attracted to you, you show that you're impressed by the fact that she's...

that she's the leader of her group
that she has similar interests
that she's traveled
that she's intelligent
that she's kind

never compliment a girl on her looks (including fashion) unless she's your gf



Unless of course you go the badass/bad boy route then you can go ahead and compliment her tits. I wouldn't want to get w/ the type of girl that responds to that approach but to each their own.

thymology u sound like me when i first got into MM... there rules to a method. not laws of the universe if u feel like complimenting a girl on her looks then damn well do it..


just don't do it for the reason of getting in her pants. that is afc

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But you are trying to get in her pants and if you compliment her she will know it. Like I said, communicating any interest in her before she's attracted to you only works with the "bad boy" direct approach.

The funny thing about this reply is that there's almost no consideration for the very real (and more likely than you might think) possibility that she wants you in her pants.

Thymology, your success rate will sky-rocket exponentially once you realize that you and the girls you game are working toward a mutual goal, and that they enjoy sex and the idea of it with you far more than what conventional wisdom--even conventional wisdom in this community-- suggests.

Your boy,
870

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You're discussing the direct opener as popularized by badboylifestyle.com

I'll admit I'm somewhat biased against it since I'm concerned more w/ finding potential gfs and friends w/ benefits more than with one night stands and fbs. I'm still in college though, probably should loosen up a bit w/ that approach.

man direct is direct no matter who teaches it but yar I now assume attraction and that every girl enjoys sex as much as the ones I have got talking about it. Social stigma just stops them talking about it so yar assume attraction and as part of that that they want to sleep with you.

ALthough that said I am biased I have a phone for the first time in 2 months so only now have the opportunity to even consider getting numbers and meeting these women again. Even with that new option I do enjoy the if something is going to happen it will happen now mindset that comes with such a logistical hurdle.

Again, hilarious. I'm a natural who's never been to badboylifestyle.com and whose opening style is anything but direct.

Your girlfriends and friends with benefits are still going to want sex just as much as your one-night-stands and fuck buddies. The principle I'm discussing applies across the board. Promise

Your boy,
870

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I think you and I are arguing two completely unrelated topics 870.




Here's how I see the play-by-play:

I suggested that you shouldn't compliment a girl until she's attracted to you, unless you're simply after promiscuous women.

870 misinterprets what I said as somehow meaning that I give no consideration to the possibility that a girl might want a guy in her pants (how would I not know this? Am I a virgin or a rapist? Perhaps I might be completely psychotic?) . He suggests I realize that both myself and the girls I game are working toward a mutual goal: great sex (girls want great sex? stfu, no way! I demand scientific evidence).

I misinterpreted what 870 said, thinking that he is disputing my claim that direct openers only yield promiscuous women. I believed that he was disputing this claim because he responded to Slie saying that he should have used a sincere compliment (a direct opener). He also wrote that he too would have used a direct opener.

870 clarified what he meant. Contradicting his first post in this thread, he writes that he doesn't use direct openers.



Okay 870, the point I was trying to get across in both my first and second post was that the type of women I pursue (the "good girls") don't want to sleep with a guy who wants to fuck her as soon as he sees her. (perhaps with exceptions made for celebrities)

How you could have interpreted what I said (or wrote, wtv) as meaning that I don't think that women EVER want to sleep with a guy is beyond me. That's completely ridiculous; I understand that women love great sex. Again, my point is that the "good girls" only want to sleep with guys that don't want to fuck them as soon as they see them. For them, an essential part of great sex is a great guy.



I can't believe I'm AMOGing on a pua forum. I daresay 'tis the greatest battle of egos in forum history.

We are definitely arguing different points, because I'm just talking about complimenting in general, not necessarily as an opener. I'm also talking about approaching women from a frame where you assume they are already attracted to you from the get-go as opposed to having to "make" them attracted to you.

The OP here had nothing to do with opening (if you'll notice, he opened with a joke about her slipping before complimenting her) so I'm not sure how we got on this topic or why it's even relevant.

The main point I wanted to get across in all this is that the most attractive thing you can be is true to yourself. Compliment or don't, open direct or indirect, sniff her ass like a dog--it doesn't really matter as long as it's unapologetically you. This is attractive to everybody, "nice" girls and "bad" girls alike

Your boy,
870

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