Hey all,

I was rocking out Ottawa ON with a bunch of guys and was at a club when I was all the way through a routine and Chick peppers me with questions.

Are you trying to pick me up? Umm....Yeah probably
You guys have to learn some new material
Me: What?
Her: Well it always starts with 'you have to help settle a bet' ....

Help me out here, other than just plowing what is a good option here?

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Vary your openers and keep them diverse. I wouldn't have said "yeah probably" when she asked if you were trying to pick her up. I probably would have ignored and plowed through. If you defend, you are giving up the frame.

I agree with strimpboi, she was probably just shit testing you. i can think of a few different reactions to that scenario that I would use (you should do what is natural for you).

a.after her comment I would say " fine you dont get to play" and walk away (i call this having manittude, remember you have abundance!).

b.Plough through holding state like strimbpoi recommended. I should mention that when a girl asks or indicates that she thinks I'm hitting on her I say things like "maybe I am, maybe I'm not, I'm not sure yet" or whatever calibrate it to the situation.

I probably would have said something really smart ass like

Her: Are you Picking me up
Me: Woah arent you a little to old to be to be picked up... Hold on wait let me get a blanket and ill pick you up pat you on the back and help you belch. ( Some thing along those lines).

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Just Like Chess I know the Rules-- And I bet I Checkmate her in like 4 moves--Trey Songz
Not Every girl is going to be instantly attracted to you it is what you do that makes them attracted to you.

this is the risk you take using canned things, start making your own routines or going natural, that way you will never be called

I think you should neg her when she asks you of you are trying to pick her up. Something like: "No offence, but I don't pick up girls with your taste of shoes." or "No offence but I never pickup girls who have their hair dyed (black/blonde/...)." I think she will get so focused on the neg that she won't be thinking anymore at you picking her up but what is wrong with her shoes or hair.

I think negs are even worse than canned openers if you don't want to get called out.
Firstly, my problem with negs is that they demonstrate lower value - if you tell someone something bad about them it shows you are trying to bring their value down. Why would you want to do this is you had high value? Aren't insults a sign of insecurity? as jlaix says in his newsletter, a confident person is happy, and sees the good rather than the bad in other people.
Secondly, what applies to this guy's situation, a neg is a clear PUA tool and any girl who knows anything about PU will recognize it straight away. If you insult their shoes or their hair this is likely to piss them off so they will try even harder to make the PU difficult for you.

you're not going to get the girl if you don't neg.

do it in a playful way. make a silly face w/e. do it indirectly if you think it's going to DLV. Karma i think u may want to re-evaluate your definition of neg.

there are ways to neg without being offensive and/or taking responsibility for it.

"oh, lemme get that. . . you had an eye booger"(God's Fault, not your fault. can't be blamed)
act like she spit on u when she was talking. (her fault, not yours)

if i think she may get offended by a more direct neg i'll do it in a playful manner with a /raised eyebrow or maybe a /playful smile

you'll calibrate in field

have fun with it. also, sometimes people feelings are going to get hurt. don't let it hold u back from reaching a higher level.

if you're going to bring a female pawn from another set and introduce her to a previous set to get a jealously plot line going, you're target is going to get offended if you've done it right. she's going to want to "win" you(the prize).

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i apologize for going off the OP's topic.

Granit,
she didn't exactly blow u off from what i was reading. you could have gone with something witty right back at her. if anything, she was responding.


i usually like the fun/witty stuff
could have done something like:

PUA:"well, ya that's why i really came over here. my friends bet me that i couldn't come up and get you to kiss me within 2 minutes and i'm running outta time here (point at your watch and make a playful face)."
T:[laugh]
PUA:"i'm just kidding honey, i don't kiss on the first date. plus you have to wine and dine me first. i'm very high maintenance."
[next routine]

do this with a playful frame or it's not gonna work.

make sure you use all your other tools aswell.

FTR, body rock, lean out, not pecking in.(remember you want her to believe you're the prize. not her)

DHV, what makes you different from the other 6 guys that have already approached her that night?

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How about if I wait six weeks to call. I could tell her I found her number while I was cleaning out my wallet, I can't remember where we met. I'll ask her what she looks like and then I'll ask her if we Fucked. How about that? Would that be money?