This is a tricky situation.
Sounds like in beginning with the canned stuff you were just sort of throwing shit out there and seeing what stuck. Sounds like some of it was miscalibrated as well.
It's hard to tell what sort of effect that has, because it could go either way.
Next you say you progressed:
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But I progressed a bit, started using a lot of c&f (in other words it was only using sarcasm to me). I stopped doing any favors to her, negged her all the time.
But to me it sounds like you wayyyy over did it, considering she's probably not a 10 & "she is really kind"
Fair play though, you were learning, that's fine.
In future, probably less neg's & favors are fine - but in a "i'd do this for any of my friends" sort of way. Only refuse if you'd not do it for a male buddy.
Neg's I reserve for situations that warrant them. I personally have 3 stages:
1. Shit test or cheeky remark: respond with a playful remark as well, with a grin on my face/laughing.
2. Boundary crossing/too far: If someone does something just not funny, or unacceptable i'll call them out. "Hey that was uncalled for." "there was no need." "Don't be a dick" etc.
3. Ridiculously unacceptable behaviour: Like if someone i'd just met decided to punch one of my friends. The only appropriate behaviour is to turn away/move away & stop communicating. You just don't even acknowledge them.
Neg's generally only have to be used in the first situation. Lightly and playfully. It's more like teasing.
QUESTIONS:
1. What you could have done:
- Built more attraction. demonstrate value basically. Plenty of posts on it. Enough value will always have her wanting to talk to you.
- Probably less neg's/non compliance
2. Friend Zone -> GF can take a day in theory. I've only done it a couple of times though, and i've always played it out over a month or 2, going friends > sex > gf.
3. LJBF is basically high levels of comfort, but low levels of attraction. And no real sexual component either.
Basically you need to ramp up attraction first - make sure comfort is maintained (it's okay to dip it for a while to build attraction), then when you've got high attraction & comfort build in sexual tension.
That'll make it go sexual. Then from there you can take it to a relationship if you like.
Take it easy.
Wolfus
Genius, good post man.