Ok I'll keep this short and sweet. Went sarging with 2 of my mates. No rules were layed down prior to going out. A cute Canadian girl opened me I'd say she was a 7. Was the hat that did the trick! I didn't have say a word . Anyway I manage to move her and the friend upstairs to some cosy sofas, my mates followed. I start chatting to the cute one while the other is occupied by my friends. I go downstairs to grab a beer come back to find my friend running kiss close material on 'my' target. Now on this occation it doesn't matter hugely as I recon I can do better but 2 questions. 1. Does this sort of intervention lower my value and 2 is this action of moving in while I'm away something that is acceptable within a group of friends? I don't want this shit happening when it really matters. Or is this a simple fact I shouldn't have gone to the bar?

Cheers

MORE details is needed however if ure kool , ure friends are kool because they are with you, and u went up there with ure buddies following , ALPHA Characteristic Leader of men ; u guys neeed to lay down some rules though because this could be a potential problem if it always happens
I THink yes because if u are the leader of men and ure friends do that to every girl u sarge what value and respect do ure friends have for you? you cant have that happening , as long as the room saw the canadian girl open you ure value is high as soon as you saw them kiss you should have said ill let you 2 be alone assuming they were kissing if they werent kissing and ure wing was gaming , it probably meant more to ure wing to game that 7 , call ure wing out separatly by saying look if u like her u can have her but im going to use her 1st ; use her as a pivot open new set throw her back to ure wing boom shows value
RULE ( WHOEVER OPENS THE SET OWNS THE SET, SHE OPENED YOU , YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE) YOU DID SAY THERE WAS NO RULES ESTABLISHED SO IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER DOES IT? ON A 7 WITH A ROOM FULL OF 8'S ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE HIGH QUALITY WOMEN THERE

IMPORTANT WARNING - Establish rules and boundaries if there are no rules and boundaries can you imagine how everything would be, alot of great friendships can be lost over a WOMAN and in my OPINION ITS NOT WORTH IT , THERES PLENTY OF FISH IN THE SEA

We had a discussion about it at the end of the night. I don't think it's gonna be happening again, in the end I think I was the only one that got both numbers and she rang me about an hour later, saying how much fun they had, always a good sign. But I really don't know what I did? I was talking to both of them individually ran some material and just kicked back and relaxed after I got pushed aside by my wing. Besides saying I'll leave you 2 to it is there other material to pull him back out and switch places? We'll put this down to a lerning experience on how to judge the situation with friends and who their targets are. At least I can start running some text game now!!

Cheers for getting back so speedy

Hi shakey101

ive had the same experience and as posted above friendship comes first, have you found out what material he was using, did she open him, as i said this has happened a few times and it just so turns out that the target is just more attracted to the wing, never be afraid to step aside, your wing is your wing because you turst him.

you went downstairs to get a beer,Why? and in that time your wing kissed closed? pretty impressive.

Also i have to add, the fact she opened you suggests she's a player and probably found it fun to mess with your group, thus inadvertadly having an unspoken higher social value.

she sounds like a bitch lol anyway she's only a 7 plenty more where they came from

hope everything works out.

 Fuck I completely forgot, i've been so caught up in me playing them I've neglected the fact that she could be doin it to me.

Let again start... I know this is long, read through and any comments would be greatly appreciated. And the fact that I've taken the time to write this monster on an iPhone. 

When the target opened me my wing wasn't there which is why I don't think she opened me to get to him. She opened me by removing my hat and wearing it. I took it back gave a little neg put it back on her head and gave her a twirl. She strocked my face and said I was cute, once again didn't react and just said thank you. She said she was Canadian, to which I replied "oooo I've heard about Canadian girls"

Asked her if she was here with friends, which she was and I told the target we were heading upstairs to chill out on the sofas and they should join us. 

Now this is where it got a bit clunky, I instantly went up stairs, one of my mates (not the cheeky fucker that moved in) sort of hovered for a few seconds as she went to find her friend. I got upstairs 30 seconds later my mates arrived followed by the girls 30 seconds after that, thinking about it I should have held her hand and lead her.

From there I sat with the target and my friend (once again not the one that moved in on my target) sat with the targets friend running palm read material, which she couldn't get enough of. Mean while my other mate (the one that moved in) was on the outside of the set looking in.

This is where I fucked up... I went and got myself and my mates a beer, making sure not to offer the girls drinks. At least we know they weren't sticking around for us to buy them drinks all night. I think my mate got a bit annoyed he was on the outside of the set, so the moment I stood up he moved in. Now in hindsight that's where I fell down, you can't leave her sat there bored, but then again I don't wanna sit there with no drink dame beer god I love the stuff!!

When I get back my mate has adopted the same position I WAS in and getting same level of compliance. That's when he was running the compliance test (bit like wax on wax off, if that makes sense). Anyway he got a little kiss but nothing more, I take my hat off he acutally said I bet I can get a bit of tongue, but wasn't looking to see if he pulled it off... The point he came unstuck was when he asked for her number. He pulled out his phone, handed it to her and behold a picture of his girlfriend looking Cosy on the main screen, ooops!!! From there the attraction dropped, or so he said.

While feeling like a Mellon I decided to try and wing a story off the top of my head. So I went on about how my girlfriend dumped me because I fell of my motorbike. Saying she wasn't happy when I bought it and the day I fell off it she would finish with me. It moved the conversation towards relationships. Once again thinking about it the story left me at a neutral. Ride and race motorcycles (the truthful bit to the story) is cool and dangerous but on the other hand my girlfriend finishing with me because I got knocked off (slight lie) makes me look a lower value, nut projects I'm available, then again I should need to give that impression.   

From there I told my wing, what the fuck are you doin, he moved out with grace, well... An excuse, and I moved back in, I couldn't think of any compliance testing without running the same one. We sat and chatted and kinoed well for about 20 mins, by which time we pulled out before we run out of material. They pleaded for us to stay and settled for number exchange. I did offer for them to come join us and smoke back at mine, but was turned down.

About 4 am I get a phone call, "hey, do you know who this is?". I reply "I do, it's that cute Canadian girl", some fluff talk followed, and her explaining why she couldn't come back with us. A vague a date was set for another meet.

Now I've given the full picture to summarize...

What was done right:-
Opener done well, fun and flowing.
Transition to upstairs was fast and smooth, with little need for persuation.
Kino was escalating well.

What was done badly:-
3 guys with two girls, just didn't work.
Beer on the brain, get a grip man!!
No rules set so toes got stepped on.
Some of the material may have been mixed up, using openers far too late in to set i put It down to a combination of drink and lack of sleep.
Maybe shouldn't have tried to tell a story off the cuff.
Was pecking when talking.

End result though, I thought was more positive than negative.
    

sound like you got good wing man with you. you guys just need to sit down and work on your ground rules. to me it sound like you guys can work well together and, in time, pick enough girl for all of you.
dont forget one of the main rules of the game.... dont hate the player.....
your wing might steped in too early but he might also saved the set by keep the girl interested when you fucked off to get a drink.
i understand you guy are new to the game so you have alot to learn about each other but it sound like you on the right trak.
keep up with the good work and you'll have fun than you ever did.
sarge away dude.

Should have pulled the trigger not buy drink, I'll remember that one. We're all strong at different stages, we do work well we just need to choreograph.

Its like transformers, get so good we form one mega PUA to defeat the mega 10HB!!!

No?...

Well i found it amusing.

we need to talk