what do you guy think about the seduction community getting all this coverage?
i actually hope there is not another vh1 the pickup artist 3, because pua will be come less efective and will take the edge away we have.
At the same time i believe the average person will never put the effort in to become a good pickup artist. Most people are to lazy. I believe that those in the community should do the best to keep this shit a secret. what do you all think?

Here we go again.

See, the community is about helping people. It's about becoming that fun, social person you genuinely are. It's selfish to want this knowledge not to be spread. After all, if you become a cool, interesting guy what would possibly stop you?
Don't care about this "problem": go out, sarge, develop yourself, develop your skills with women, become the guy you want to be.
Then, you will see this "problem" doesn't exist.

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Play2Win

[In The Field Right Now]

Yeah man, seriously, you're being worried for nothing. I mean, if you're getting worried that this stuff is becoming more and more well known, then here's a solution: stop using well known openers and start coming up with your own. Its the only way we'll be able to stay relevant in this community.

i do pretty much use my own openers, but what about girls becoming aware of all the concepts of negs,dhv's, cocky comedy, and so on. I picture the fat firends of the hb cock blocking pua's more and more because they understand pua concept and are jeolous of the hb. I have already read a couple post were this has happened to pua's.

LMAO DO NOT USE CANNED/REPEATED MATERIAL? The methods I use you could in no way lay a finger on it and say OH THATS PUA....be natural about it.

Im covered...Are you?

I actually hope they make a season 3 and everything gets more widespread..itll make those fakers either shape up or ship out...All those who rely on staged stuff will be shut down, the overly used techniques will be related to that of a bad pick up line like "Did it hurt....when you fell from heaven?" Thus making all those who have game, more desired in the field by women in general.

Have you forgotten the Male to Female interactions are intended by nature? As we are all meant to reproduce and to pass on our seed Its instincts, it's not like everyone is in a "trance" acting totally foreign or taboo to whats expected of us when it comes down to this.

People have such short attention spans now days I wouldn't worry about it. I guarantee if a girl watches an episode and hears a common line such as "nice nails are the fake?" she will forget or probably wont call you out on it.

It seems like when Neil Strauss released The Game and when Mystery Method was released there was a big buzz in the media about the community but quickly died down there after. More people are concern about current events and other shows like what happened on Lost last weekend then they are about a sub-culture of society most people don't care about.

i agree on that. i use lines i hear in movies and tv shows and have not gotten called out on any. Also i dont believe that very many people will ever take the time and put all the effort in that it takes to be a good pua no matter how well it's the seduction community is known.

This is an interesting topic because I first became aware of this community because a girlfriend of mine was dating Mystery. I would hear of his tactics and quite honestly as a woman was repulsed at the thought of grown men sitting around discussing ways of enticing women to sleep with them. But the more I learned of the real community behind it I realized it is a fantastic community that is very tight knit and filled with loving guys who love women. What can be wrong with that? Women want to be loved and adored right? Right! It speaks to our core values that are important to like the guy listening to us, being attentive to our body language and signals, etc. Women want men to seek them out and pay attention to them yet balk at the idea of them trying to learn how to do it. Unfortunately I think the program and the popular book portrayed the community wrong and certainly didn't do it justice. And when men use the exact lines out of the TV program, tipped women off to what they were doing. For example, the "lint" line was used on me and I responded by telling the guy I already read the book. Didn't work. Now if he had used a different opener it may have worked. Just a suggestion

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Phermax Pheromones

I was reading Mystery Method's material a least a year before the first VH1 episode aired. I got really upset when the pua community got so much attention from the media, especially when that retard Dr. Phil had an episode on his show about it. After actually going out and gaming girls day and night, I found that my fears were totally unwarranted!

First of all, most of the men you see gaming girls in bars today were seasoned vets long before Neil Strauss' book "the game." In most bar you go to, most of the men there fit the jock stereotype. They aren't going analyze or read anything, especially something they don't believe they need.

90% of the people that have read these PUA books DO NOT HAVE THE BALLS to approach women. Likewise, most men are too lazy, frightened, stupid, insecure, and etc... A LOT of men will also make a moral issue out of it, because they feel uncomfortable with the idea of using techniques that seem calculated. They see pick-up as too manipulative and deceiving: it's "evil." And again, must I remind you, so many people cannot commit themselves to something like this. Most people hardly have the attention span to read books to begin with.

Yeah, I've been called out for using lines before, which rarely happened and hasn't happened in a longgggg time. If you get called out, just keep it cool, because it doesn't matter. Every girl in the bars knows that something is up when a guy talks to them, they know it's somekind of "pick up" as soon as the guy approaches. They want to be picked up! They're just waiting for a real man to come along and get it right, and fuck their brains out.

Bang!

Phermax,

You should have taken the guy that used the recognizable line. He's a nerd, which makes him the typical nice/smart guy that most women fantasize about; unless of course you're waiting for mister smooth-solid-game to sweep you off your feet. As long as you know that you'll just be another notch in his belt, that's what's important; because he can (and will) snatch many other girls just like you.

Errrrr, wait a second. Women aren't the least bit consistent or logical. They fall for hump and dump every time.

+10
totally agree

To me the whole Pick Up Artist Show will just create a new breed of AFC. These will be the guys who watch the show, possibly buy one of the books, read a few chapters and then go out into the world cockier than before thinking they know everything about women. They'll be slightly more successful than they were before but it won't change them much.

I'm not too worried about it. If you're confident in your skills neither should you be. Knowledge should be shared with people, not coveted away like a secret.

~Antithesis

what PUA stops after a response like that? you can open that up into all kinds of different topics. mainly you just found common ground imo.

forget F-Closing. you just found a girl(possible wing) that's interested in the same things as you. having a female wing does wonders. social proof, preselection, and if she's educated probably one of the best weapons you can have in PU.

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How about if I wait six weeks to call. I could tell her I found her number while I was cleaning out my wallet, I can't remember where we met. I'll ask her what she looks like and then I'll ask her if we Fucked. How about that? Would that be money?

i coulnd't agree more.
natural is the way to go
you have nothing to lose if you use natural game

All I have to contribute is this:

We know how marketing and advertisement works... but we are still susceptible to its effects.

We still know how manipulation, guilt-trips, and reverse-psychology works and we still sometimes fall for it.

Knowledge of the way in which something works does not necessarily mean we are immune to its effects. To most, the art of PU is just a concept. When confronted with it, they would never recognize it. Much the same way that when first reading and trying to educate ourselves on the art of PU we feel we get it, but in the field fail and fail.

Concepts do not directly translate to reality.