I have been thinking about this recently and I know a lot of guys that approach loads of women we are talking hundreds a month. But is this pure numbers game (you approach 100 women one will be into you).

I have a friend who is probably the most unattractive guy I know (people agree almost unanimously) but in the first year of uni he slept with more women. How? approaching and going direct with everything that moved

So how many puas do you think are just over complicating pure law of averages etc rather than picking a target and getting them.

As a side thought how many people only go after women who show interest in them (I will openly admit I did this for a while) and is this interest generated by the game or is it again simple law of averages?


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It's not luck its learning how to handel a girl.
There is probally half of the girls that are int them that the approch but they simply dont know because they have no game and cant read a girl.

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The problem here is mixing to completely different goals.

A person who plays the number game, his mindset isn't really about finding a great girl. Their focus tends to be more about getting laid. They will normally find one piece attractive on a girl and that will be enough to get them to approach her.

I mean it's a pretty cool mindset because there is a lot of freedom, but to be honest its not PUA.

I think people forget about what PUA is. PUA is about understanding situations to a point where you understand how you can manipulate that situation to work for you. Even if all odds are against you, you understand how to work it.

I find the numbers game to be what you learn in college practical shit that expires after awhile. While being a PUA, you are learing principles that apply to any situation anywhere.

just my two cents.

i play the 'girl i'm attracted to' game, not the numbers game. I naturally have higher standards and I drank a lot in order to find girls attractive; I could go out every week and get with a different girl, this went on for about ten weeks or so then I got bored with it and cut down my drinking a lot.

I only drink around 10 bottles on a night out now, so whilst I'm not drunk I've had enough to not get annoyed by drunk idiots, as you can't really have a good time when everyone's drunk and you're sober.

As of this I no longer find ugly girls nice

As a side thought how many people only go after women who show interest in them (I will openly admit I did this for a while) and is this interest generated by the game or is it again simple law of averages?

I am in psychology, and thier is a theory called the minor exposure effect. If you see som,ething 3 times or more you are more likely to have thoughts processed about it.
Translated, the women is more liekly to look at the guy who is with women, due to the alpha traits her biology aspiars to!
Therefore if you are gaming others and she sees then you are much more likely to prohibit a natural attractiveness than gaming her directed. HENCE pre selction.
In this sense the game works wonderfully. This is why fame works at such a high level and the celeb who is famous for nothing e.g calum best or hilton, has higher value....
Hope that helps...
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Yup its a strange thing to think about, most guys make 10 approaches in their life ... but most guys get laid every so often. SO are we to believe they are better as the ratio is?

As for approaching girls that are showing IOIs to you, most argue you have made yourself more attractive so that happens.

I dunno it just seems a little strange, I think it is the numbers game to a degree but you can capitalize on more of the women.

Although I think we can agree even if in terms of getting laid it is pure numbers game/law of averages. Then a lot of people can create attraction/capitalize on it virtually every time and the more women you meet the more likely you are to find the one.

a broken clock is gonna be right twice a day.

if you game 100 girls in a month and only get with the 2 you want, then i would say that you are successful.

what i think happens much more is that a guy will want more than just 2 out of 100. a guy will want at least half of the girls he games, but convinces himself that he never wanted the ones that rejected him.

i think that in the long run you are just gonna mess yourself up if you wanna lie to yourself like that. essentially, you are just gaming yourself.

to me becoming a pua meant that i would have the choice of where the interaction goes with the women i'm interested in. when i was afc, it was always the women that had the choice. as an afc i had to get lucky and let the girl choose me. as a pua i make the choice about whether or not i like the girl

if people lie to themselves and say "i don't give a fuck, i'm great, i don't even need game!" then they are either lying to themselves or they are short changing themselves. they are short changing themselves cause they could be working on getting more than just the 2 girls that they admit they wanted. they could actually get some of the ones they let slip if they would just address their sticking points rather than be in denial of them.

i think statistics are almost always the best gage of whether or not you are succeeding as a pua. how else are you going to figure out your sticking points and what you did wrong or right? it takes trial and error and a dedicated study through experience.

maybe there ARE guys out there that got into the game, not for statistical success but rather, only to become more comfortable with themselves and have a better outlook on life. but i would be willing to bet there are very few in that situation. if you take surfing lessons, you are doing it cause you wanna learn how to surf. if partake in a surfing community, you are doing it cause you are into surfing.

I think the majority of us fall somewhere in the middle. I approach those who I have both a moderate attraction to and a calculated chance of success. I could broaden the numbers and types of girls I approach, but that would change/lower my standards and open me up to a lot more rejection-- but I would be getting more girls. On the other hand I could tighten up my approach and only talk to girls who I am absolutely attracted to and have an almost guaranteed chance of being with, but that would severely limit my options. It's a quality versus quantity issue.

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Definitely, I spose if I only approached girls I was attracted to I would probably make 2 approaches a month if that, then if I got one ideal but that would still be one girl per month.

For the relationship guys that would be perfect but for ONS folk like me it may kinda limit me a tad, although I wouldn't have the annoying morning after thing as often lol

interesting topic.

When I feel a bit down, I can use the idea of the numbers game because I know that regardless if I do enough approaches then you are bound to hit the jackpot.
It is like the slot machines, you press the button enough then you are bound to get lucky. Obviously if you know some stuff that will enhance your chances then go for it.

Mystery method, the newbie mission 4 hours and 3 approaches an hour seems to be doing numbers more than anything else.

I mean if you do it for a month you will have approached hundreds of babes and something will have clicked, calibration will be more likely to take place.
Reading a book could never produce calibration like that.

I play the "trying for the one I'm attracted to" game. Why go for someone you're not attracted to? Thats kind of pointless..........unless you have little/no standards, I guess.

I think its less of a binary thing. Women are gorgeous you game them, good looking girls you game, ok girls you might game etc so yar if you want to get laid you will probably go after ok girls (not ugly or unattractive just kinda less attractive than the hotties).

As a side note these days I can find beauty in most women and it is rarely based on looks (fucking spanner in the works)

This thread has got me thing about Approaches and gettin blown off And I JUST realised that I have not been blown off anytime in the 4 MONTHS!! in fact in my 8 months of approaches I have wow.. been blown off only 4-5 times I can count them on one hand!!!!!

I guess I should post this as a seperate thread and not hijack this thread.

Guys your comments are highly encouraged

Yo bro,

just as an add on comment about this stuff too.

something really funny too noticed as well. I had major approach anxiety a few months back. In the last few months I have approached quite a few hotties and some not too hot as well. but that is by the by.

What I want to mention is that my approach anxiety has died a death!!!

In the past few months, thanks to my approach anxiety I have had some pretty dicey and touch and go moments where boyfriends have appearec out of the woodwork from nowhere. but thanks to the encouragement and positive support I have received here, I have made more and more approaches. I still don't do anywhere enough to get really good yet but some of my approaches have been pretty good.

So to anyone out there with major approach anxiety and keeps going out and just cant make the approach. Because I started doing it, shitting myself.

Now, I want to approach. I find it quite fun to see where it might take you.

Numbers game is OK, because it makes you a more social person.too

Good luck guys.