Yeah i didnt like this trait either. However i think its just phrased a little bluntly. What it really means is that the targets value to the social group is higher than yours. It doesnt mean that shes any better than you.

The three main aspects to the MM which i think are head on the nail 10/10 useful are DHV (the most useful from the 3), negs, and hoop theory.

MM DOES work, its just too step by step to actually enjoy yourself if you follow M3. Its constantly, ok how many negs have i dropped? What value havent i dmo'd? What phase am i in?

But in all fairness, anybody who visits this site at all have to take their hat off to mystery for all he has done for the community.

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I never said you can be completely detached from external influence, I agree with you that would be ridiculous. The internal side is the important side of validation because all of the external validation gets translated internally. We all choose how we perceive events. Our perceptions tend to support our belief systems and this combination has the largest impact on our mental outcome and therefore our actions. Here's an example:

2 people are both waiting on opposite sides of a busy restaurant. It takes them both 30 minutes to get their food. The first person holds the belief that servers at restaurants are lazy and rude. The second person holds the belief that servers generally do their best. Now the first person will probably be upset that its taking so long, thinking that the server is being lazy, he may get short with the server and think that the server is intentionally withholding his food from him to be rude, at this point he will feel very upset because he feels he is getting horrible service, things may even erupt into a scene where he talks angrily with a manager maybe not, either way he did not have a pleasant experience and will probably remain upset for a part of his day. The second person believing the servers generally do their best will likely be understanding, when the food is taking awhile he will think "My server must be very busy" he may even comment on how busy he/she must be in an understanding tone when they arrive with the food, the server will probably appreciate this understanding, apologize for the wait and make sure that everything is well taken care of. The second person will have had a positive experience .

Our beliefs and perception govern virtually every aspect of our life. I'm not advocating not getting more experience that is obviously needed, I'm just advocating having a system of perception in place that will be condusive to your goals, and yes most people have already had the required experiences in their lives to become confident... they just perceived them the 'wrong' way. Alter the perception of just some of the hundreds of thousands of experiences we have already had and its easy to see how a level of confidence can be achieved quickly. The new experiences are there to reinforce the change until it becomes permanent.

I dont know why people who advocate just go out try to say that I'm advocatign not going out. I'm advocating the same thing but with the use of a more effective mindset.

I know this is from the first page but let's get something cleared up. I hear a lot of people talking about hey Erik, Neil show me the goods type of stuff. Ya, I hear it from my students to and I have to "perform" with an audience and without a net sometimes too. Me being new to the community with just being here a few years okay yeah I understand.

Here is the thing. There are countless videos, field reports, pictures, and personal eye witness accounts of Mystery, and Neil Strauss's game. And remember most of these accounts are from other fellow experts like Sinn, Mehow, Spear, Tyler Durden, and many many many others. These guys don't have to prove anything to you, they helped start this community. They have done more for this community than any of us could hope to achieve.

Not to mention, all the guru's basically started this community in project Hollywood sarging together. They all witnessed each others abilities and many pulled most of their present basis for their material from MM.

Not to say that some of these guru's don't like Mystery or really like his method or him as a person. But there is no one in that upper level that will down Mystery when he has his game on, because he works it, and he gets results. If you really require real life "proof" take one of his workshops.

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MM or M3 Model.

Is the model flawed, you bet ya! I could spin off for hours and hours about how the model itself and other things can be added or subtracted etc. Hell, Ventuian Arts recognized a lot of these and that's why they wrote Revelation, which still has some things that can be added. It's ever evolving!

The bottom line is though you have to consider the Venutian Arts Company has been teaching this stuff for years with a lot of happy happy customers. Also consider RSD & Love Systems had its roots in this and up until recent was teaching a similar style and they were successful. Not to mention the hundreds of other little spin off Mystery like clones out there using his basic model plus a few bits of their own stuff.

You have to hand it to Erik and the guys, although the Mystery Method may be flawed it works, and its good enough many guru's have been putting food on their table using it.

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One thing that I really disagree with are the DHV stories though.

You shouldnt have to demonstrate higher value through stories...

You can do this through subcommunications, body language, and other physical externals.

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Beschatten, what you are describing is what happens when you reach a certain level... For newbies though it is difficult to do this and they wanna DHV through stories since it is easier.

I think Mystery meant for everyone to dump the stories too once you understand what it is all about.

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lol "you kinda resemble a pornstar i know

not saying its a bad thing

because i'd fuck both of you"

erm not sure what the 'correct' MM thing would be but I would offer to call him over and she would probably play along, I would get him over and he would screw it up. Ultimate I don't give a fuck.

As I see it it is the same way I play pool, the more shots you give the opponent the more of a chance they have to fuck up