Yes. There is also the Praying Mantis Claw. This is where you stand face-to-face with a girl, reach your arms around her waist and grab her ass, then pick her up so that her legs swing around your back and hold her up by her thighs. It'll end up in a face-to-face piggyback position. Sorry, couldn't find an image for this one.

Then there's the Rhett Butler Claw.



Self-explanatory.

By the way, the reason why you see all of these goofy names is an RSD thing. Naming different things to do in field this way changes the way you think about it. That, in turn, changes the way you do it. Which sounds more fun: "push-pull," or "shock and awe?" "Kino," or "The Claw?" "Rapport," or "vibing?" "Overt Class 3 Kino Escalation," or "The Swivel of Passion?"

Which, by the way, is moving from a side-by-side Claw position by keeping your Claw hand in place and turning towards the girl, reaching around her waist with your free hand, and pulling her in so you're standing face-to-face.

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Stormy... thank you for your posts, you're honestly going to change my life forever.

edit: I should say why: I am getting into the PUA thing...I've been reading all the forums and materials, field testing some of the material a little, but what they were teaching me felt so un-natural to me. why would I care to AMOG some other guy I don't know? why neg a girl when she hasn't done anything to me just so I can make myself look better. It just felt so unnatural, like I am lying to myself. Your way explains how i feel inside and I suppose it's "congruent" with my nature, everything flows soo much better now that I've been building on what you've posted. The girls in my life are becoming so much more receptive and friendly and I've only just started. I still have a long way to go, but I'll always continue to improve myself in one way or another.

Yoo this is some good shitt stormy. You seem like you got your natural and inner game down. I was wondering, what kind of backround did you come from? Did you used to be shy and have social anxiety or were you always in the flow of things and really never gave a shit about anything? And what about that power of now audio series you were talking about. In what ways did it help you in your life. Last question. Did smoking Cannabis help you in any way at all in overcoming some of your limiting beliefs and inner game sticking points?

Thanks man your posts are always a joy to read.

I am Very grateful for this post. I am going to do the ten day challenge and reply the results. Thank you.

I think it's time for me to level with you guys about something.

I've had pickup on indefinite hold for a few months now. This is because I'm going through a difficult time personally, and am seeing a therapist. I'm not going to tell you guys anything about it other than what is necessary to convey this: you, that is, YOU, the guy reading this right now, may need therapy.

First of all, what I'm NOT doing here is dissing the seduction community. I haven't had some religious experience that's resulted in me thinking that we're all a bunch of hellbound heathens here. I mean, we are, but I still enjoy casual, anonymous sex just as much as the next guy, and I think the seduction community is a pretty good place to learn how to do it.

What I AM suggesting is that some of you may have problems that the seduction community's collective body of knowledge can't help you with. That problems you experience as approach anxiety and shit like that may be rooted much, much more deeply than anything we do here digs. That "inner game" is the result of seriously rethinking your own life and the way you view things. That it's more than meditation and affirmations. And that it goes far, far beyond picking up chicks. More props to the seduction community, by the way; its emphasis on inner game can definitely direct people in the right direction. That's what it eventually did for me.

I have a problem that the seduction community is not designed to handle. The problem is that my parents physically and emotionally abused me from when I was a child through when I was a teenager. My mother would beat me randomly, and my father made me pretend it never happened.

I went through most of my life thinking that I was over this, that it was behind me. It definitely wasn't. I thought that therapy and professional counseling were for other people, with "real" problems. I was doing just fine suppressing my emotions.

I never thought I'd ever influence anyone else in the seduction community. I thought I'd always be learning from someone else, not coming up with my own ways of doing things and viewing the entire process. I wasn't trying to get famous.

But if there are people out there who look up to me, who keep an eye on this thread to see if anything new pops up, then I want to use whatever street cred I've earned to say this, and say it loud and clear: you may benefit from therapy. Therapy is painful, because you have to seriously examine things that you may want to leave in the past. You may have to admit that there was a time when someone victimized you, even if doing so makes you feel weak.

If anything in your past drifted to mind while reading that last paragraph, you should seriously consider therapy.

It is not an admission of weakness. It's a promise to yourself that you will face the demons in your past once and for all so that they'll stop bothering you.

That's the last piece of advice you guys are gonna get from me for a while, so I hope you use it.

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Hi Stormy, you helped me tremendously.

As you can see from my post count I'm a total noob to this PUA community. I started getting into it a couple of months ago, and started working out at the same time. While lifting weights showed positive results, my pick up methods still sucked. I tried doing the 30 days challenge, got stuck on day 3. I read Magic Bullets, watched all kinds of PUA videos, learned Mystery's tricks but I'd still feel uncomfortable around women and while I did make out with a girl at a bar, I felt it was more the work of alcohol than my skills. Then I signed up on this forum, and read your thread.

I was very skeptical of natural game because I felt it was reserved for, well, natural players (ie: not me). And keep it mind, I haven't even read the whole thing yet, but what you said about vibing and being congruent with what you desire (also, your HOT text about sexing up a girl! lol) got me into the right mindset. My neighbor is a girl that'd probably score a 8 or 9, even for the true Masters out there. Her boyfriend is away for some time so she wanted to come over to chat, have a couple of drinks, etc... And I'm _always_ so awkward when I'm alone with her it's not even funny. Because my ego kept telling me that if I slept with her, I'd make all my friends so jealous and be the top player out there, it'd be like a dream come true.

But I wasn't thinking about that yesterday night. I didn't even want to sleep with her. Things are tense with her boyfriend and Im not one to take advantage of this, I just wanted to have a good time with her, and give her a good time with me. So I followed your advice, vibed, and things went flawlessly. We stayed 7 hours together, all night long until the sun rised again. Of course we flirted, danced dirty together, went to bars, clubs, and home. See, I was always the "nice guy", condemned to be friendzoned his entire life... But this night she told me she found me 'hot' and 'sexy' and I could tell she wanted more than to cuddle. So I pushed her away, because that's not what I wanted for that particular night. I really like her, and from last night I know she's crazy about me, but she's still with her boyfriend and there's no rush, they're bound to break up soon. But enough about my life, back to yours.

Stormy, you fucking rule. Because of all the PUAs out there saying "do this, mimmick that" you are the only (or at least the first for me) saying "make up your own method"... I feel like a lot of filters went down for me and I see the world in much brighter colors (and I'm not on shrooms). You helped me find my own "source" of attractivness and I thank you for that. I'm off to read some Tolle.

Miks, from Toulouse, France.

Damn, dude, that's a downer. After I got all psyched to try out some of this stuff. Therapy has its applications, for sure, and I even tried one out after losing a job and a long term girlfriend, but just talking about the past and future didn't get me anywhere. Maybe a lot of us are unnaturals because of deep seated mommy or daddy issues, but, honestly, I'm at peace with my lack luster upbringing and I genuinely want to move ahead with my life, preferably with someone strong at my side. I only expect this forum to help me with one thing: increasing the number of women I can get to know in hopes of finding one worthy of me. Ha, I didn't mean to take that so personally, probably there are a lot of guys here that will try to cover up some old hurt with game. Well, Stormy, it's a pleasure to read your posts and I believe in the positivity in them. Whether it's all cover up or not, doesn't matter to me, man. I hope you can work through the rest.

Hi Stormy,

First off, I wanted to say thanks so much for providing so much top-quality content like this. I got past the first 2 pages of this thread and realized this is gonna just have to be something I'll have to come back to.

About the personal issues and aspiring PUA's possibly needing therapy, I hear you.

I started therapy and Pickup at the same time back in late 07.

I was fed up with lousy results with women, and in my life in general, so that was me taking control.

I did this right after a girl I had dated for a while and was really into, broke up with me. She said she "just didn't feel it", and frankly I was sick and tired of this happening over and over: dating, clicking as friends with girls, and going nowhere.

Buddies observed: "If this has been happening with the past few girls you've seen, the problem is you."

And I can definitely say my AA is deep-seated and stems from a crappy childhood / high school, and college, oh yeah.

But since starting pickup, I've gotten makeouts with girls in bars, taken girls out on first dates to have them riding me on my couch later that night, and I've just plain been making some social leaps and bounds.

I noticed that this thread was started back in Dec. 08. Man, I wish I had come across and read this whole thing back then. Holy sh**, I can't believe how much exchange went on in just the first 2-3 days, looking at the dates.

This isn't about me, but in Nov. of last year I was laid off from my job of 3+ years, and told by a girl I had fallen back into a one-itis case with, that she just "didn't see me like that."

Through the winter and spring, I was struggling with some demons for sure, and reading something like this might've averted months of turmoil.

Now, I'm having more fun, I'm getting back into the swing of things. I'm not employed again yet, given the economy, but I am in grad school getting my MBA. The economy and being unemployed just doesn't have an impact on my sense of self like it did.

Thanks so much for sharing Stormy.

Wow Stormy, everything you posted up to the last post was fucking fantastic. It's really great and summarizes natural game so efficiently. The last post I found very weird though. I feel really sorry for you. But I think it is unreasonable to suggest therapy to people reading this thread. Just because you had a hard childhood does not mean that people just suffering from low self-esteem need to have therapy. Also, the post is a kind of a buzz kill with the really amazing thread. I hope you deal with your demons and come back better then ever before. This thread was awesome.

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Wow - That was long. So long I copied the relevant posts and stuck them in a word document!

Just brilliant thread.

Thanks for it all Stormy, should be a great help to me

Hey Stormy, just want to add my thanks for the amazing thread and the amazing read. I realised, while reading this, that reading all of the other PUA material out there had started to make me subconsciously become more results-oriented when I go out, instead of not caring and just having fun.

I wish you the best of luck in sorting out your personal issues and I admire the courage you took to make your last post. And as a wise man once said 'If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit.'

BACK FOR A SECOND

I haven't disappeared. I've been doing a lot of thinking about how I got to where I am now. If I figure that out, I can figure out what to change and how to change it.

This guy explains a pretty big part of how I got where I am. I suspect that a lot of you will agree that you got where you are in a similar way.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY[/youtube]

Listen especially closely when he starts describing university professors. See if any of their traits are familiar.

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this was fucking sick simply amazing from the begining to the end,
shit my egos a bitch lol

confidence and ego is really built up after reading this material. my inner game is easily broken though, and that sucks

Hello,

as they say in Ireland, these posts Stormy are the dog's bollocks!!!(that means pretty good shit)

respect dude.