this is just a follow on from my "field report", because I'm looking for advice on how to close this one, ideally f-close.


got to the stage where I could have k-closed a HB6, but there were some environmental and other issues, that prevented it. Below are the obstacles I have to overcome. Any help is greatly appreciated:

She is a masseus (or however its spelled) and the place where she works doesn't offer any real privacy. Essentially the massage takes place in a little room with no door, curtain beads or anything - just an open doorway. The other people working there regularly walk past and even stop at the doorway, as does her boss.

Location: it would be too difficult to k-close at her place of work. If we were seen, and its pretty much 100% guaranteed that we would be, she could lose her job, and it wouldn't last very long. F-closing is not an option there.

Isolation: due to her security clearance, or lack thereof, she is required to have an escort with her wherever she goes. From what I can gather, one of her work colleagues is the escort. I could possibly escort her because I have a higher security clearance. Any idea how to isolate her. Again, if her boss suspected anything she could be in trouble, and I don't really want for that to happen.

Time Frame: I am due to leave in either as little as 4-5 days, or up to 2 weeks. How long should I leave it before going back to her, to try and arrange something?


all suggestions welcome.

Thanks guys.

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of first of all why would a masseuse need a security clearance where the hell do you work? This information is pertaining to an answer more information is needed and how do you know if you could have kiss closed I am guessing her being a masseuse means you are paying her and women will be over friendly in situations like that to get bigger tips.

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Have you tried 'talking' to her yet? And I don't mean casual conversation, I'm talking about gaming her.

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apologies, I posted the details in another thread, and didn't think to repeat them here, bcos it ran a little long.

I'm working on a US military base in Iraq, where everyone has to get some level of security clearance before entering the country, then once there you get a badge. Depending on the level of security clearance you have and the company you work for (and to a large extent what country you are from), you will be given one of an array of badges, including a temporary one until you're actual one is ready. Anyone with a temporary badge has to be escorted around base, everywhere they go. Now a person could walk around the base without an escort, but they just can't use any of the amenities, and if they are caught by the MPs there would be an issue. Also, I suspect that if she was caught by her manager, she could cop a lot of grief for it. She has only been in country about a month, so as such does not know the lie of the land, or what she can get away with (I imagine)

I had gotten a massage off her the day before and thought that a good way to try out my game, would be to go to the manager of the store and ask him if it would be possible to get a massage lesson - natural situation, opens itself and lots of potential for Kino. He said no prob and told me to come back the next day. Which I did. The same Turkish girl again (HB6) was to give me the lesson.

I negged where I could, some of which was lost in translation, but my "annoyance" at her lack of understanding probably did the negging for me. She was massaging me and got me to kino her - for me to show her i understood the technique. Anyway, I was getting what I believe were IOIs and Kino from her (unnecessary touches, lingering hands, etc.) This is in comparison to the day before, where we hardly said to words to each other.


At the end, I sat up and asked her to show massage my neck and upper back, which she did. I used some Kino (took her hand and put it where i wanted her to massage). Then she walked around to my front side, without me asking her to, and she started to masage my the sides of my neck and ran here hands up and down my chest, this to me seemed like Kino on her part as it was totally superfluous.
As she was rubbing my neck and chest she moved in closer and tilted her head, I hesitantly moved in. She said she couldn't because of her boss, but that she wanted to.

perhaps as was mentioned, because she was a masseus, she was more responsive to it, in the hope of making a tip, but I definitely engineered the situation to that point - simply bcos previously there wasn't a hope in hell I would have even tried. So, if there is a possibility of closing, I'm definitely willing to try.

Cheers in advance

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Fair enough I spent 6 months in Iraq in the Army but we spent very little time in bases but I understand what you mean we had smart cards to get where we needed to be when we were in security buildings but where usually being briefed and escorted by high ranking personnel so we never needed to use them much but I am guessing these badges are similar. So I think I can picture your situation a little my suggestion is you need to find out if this is a tactic to ensure a tip or not you need to invite her to dinner or somewhere where you can get her away from the job she is doing. There is a very high possibilty that as well as being a masseuse that she is also a pro.
Pro's will come to soldier influxed areas under different jobs and then work that on the side and flirtatious and overly playful behaviour is a leading factor to offering their services or atleast that has been mine and others I know experiences with these women.
But if that is not the case if you can get her away from the job then you have a chance to get to her on a personal level but I imagine it will not be easy to do that in the environment you describe.
As for kino while you were learning to massage I imagine that could not be interpreted correctly due to the fact you are in a situation of paid kino so what kino normally incurs is lost in this situation.
You could also just plan to intentionally bump into her while off duty and start conversation and then get her to go to dinner with you from there.

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Nice one lad. You know how it is so.

The way I am looking at it, and this could easily be the over excited interpretation of a noob, but the first time she gave me a massage she was not in the least bit flirtatious. It wasn't until I went back under the pretence of wanting to learn massage that she got flirtatious. I was also conscious of putting certain stuff I learned from here into practice, and felt that my actions played a part in engineering the situation, as normally I would have thought about it, but not done anything about it.

I take your points about the Kino and being a Pro. And looking at it from that perspective, while I may have felt that I engineered the situation, she would definitely have taken the cues in her stride, recognised what I was doing, and easily allowed the situation to develop the way it did. Also, she had license to use Kino which could easily have got me into the aroused state, where I followed my natural (yet, for so, so long unearthed) instincts.

I will focus on the positives though, and that is the fact that instead of clamming up and being afraid of getting her into trouble, or getting myself into trouble, I felt a lot more relaxed in the situation, and felt a bit more intuitive about what to do. In that sense it was definitely progress.


What I am going to do is:
we get money every month for promotions, from our company, to sponor events or prizes. I will take some of that and buy some gift vouchers from where she works - bcos her boss, who would be one of the main sticking points - just wants to make money. He wanted me to come back again, for lessons bcos he charged me for a normal massage, for the lesson. This again raises the issue of whether she was under instruction form him?
If that is not the case, then I figure it will be a good way of trying to stop him from cockblocking.

Once I get the vouchers then I will ask her to come for a coffee with me, bcos I want to ask her some "massage-related" questions. I will ask the boss if this is OK. If the issue of the escort comes up, I will say that it is OK, I can escort her. Then, bring her back to the office under the pretence that my smokes are there and see what happens.

That is the best I could come up with, so I will give it a whirl and see how it goes. If it doesn't work, at least i'm no further out of pocket.

Apologies for the length of the posts again, I'll work on shortening them

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