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Hey Zip,

I have a wtf question for you. In short I been talking to this girl online who made it clear she wants to get married or at least have a serious relationship. Me on the other hand want a more casual relationship and maybe a serious one but in no way do I want to get married. After telling her this I thought she would stop talking to me as we are looking for two different things. But instead I get a message from her that is continuing the conversation. wtf?

Why would a girl continue to talk to me when we are looking for different things relationship wise? By me saying that I may be open to a seriously relationship she is hoping there is a chance for one? Or is she one of those girls that think she can "change" me to want a serious relationship and/or marriage?


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I replied back to her message and she basically asked me out. Not totally sure where this is going let alone what is going on here.
Because women like to be "the one" who changes the guy. Women like to go in and fix things they think are broken. As long as there's a long shot, some women will dive in there. It's a sick cycle and these same women wonder why their hearts get broken all the time.

Not a surprise and certainly not rare female behavior.

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Hey Zip,

How can you really tell when a girl is faking it?

This happens all the time to me. Whenever I finished having sex with a girl and say goodbye to her, she ends up texting me a compliment like "Damn." or "Having sex with you last nite was awesome." Am I doing something right or is she just trying to stroke my ego? If it's the latter, why would a girl lie about that? It's retarded.
Because women like to make a guy believe he is awesome in bed.
Because when we don't fake it, guys get disappointed in themselves and we transfer that disappointment and take it personally.

Not totally our fault.

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Could you please define the different feelings a women will have when:
a) harmless flirting
b) Flirting with "intent"

Also, how would you suggest moving from a to b?

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How we feel during Harmless Flirting: It's safe. It's not scary or needy or possessive, and it builds comfort and attraction. It's what we down south call "cousin flirting." It's where you're bantering and messing with each other verbally and physically... but it's not sexual. Well, cousin flirting in the rural south may not be completely non-sexual... but I digress.

How we feel during flirting with "intent.": If you've gone through the proper stages before this... and it's calibrated... it's hot. Direct is nice.

However, starting off with flirting with intent is hot for a same night pull. It works if you're confident, and you use some direct game tactics (like my called-shot technique.)

Moving from A to B is kindof like Vin DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder. You start with Incidental Class 1, which comes across as incidental or harmless contact with arms or hands. Palm reading, shaking hands, light touching of her arm to emphasize points. Then, you move to Overt Class 1, which is clearly OVERT. You take her hand and lead her through the club, you hold hands.

The incidental is not threatening but sets up the stage for the overt. So it is with moving from A to B.

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Zip, this is crucial.

As a chick, when you meet a guy or see one, how long does it take to determine that you may sleep with him.

Like do you have a trigger in your mind that goes "Oh damn, I want him, lets see what he is all about".

Like as you know, I'm sure most guys go "I would fuck her, sure" when they see a chick that's really hot. And that is the basis for us talking to a girl
Beschatten and I spoke on the phone about this issue... but I'll tell you what I said so it may help others.

Here's how I will explain how a girl will subconsciously and consciously react to two different men.

Man A is hot. As in, instantly physically attractive to her and she will immediately start fantasizing about him (whether that's getting married or getting hot and heavy or simply kissing him.) As soon as he crosses her path... she will start to think about the possibilities in the future with this man.

Man B is normal. If Man A is around, she's not going to initially give a shit about Man B.

However, (and here's the fun part...) if she's hanging out with Man A and Man B, and Man B shows more personality or spark or character and Man A is not showing much of anything... she will switch her attraction to Man B. I've had this personally happen many times. This switch can happen in 5 minutes, 7 minutes, 10 minutes... I'm sure it can happen in 3 with someone who has some great game.

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So women obviously talk to other women (their friends) about men they like and other issues about men, but when a woman tells you that she discussed with girl A things about you.

Basically i had a small disagreement with a girl i've been flirting and gaming, we didn't speak for a week and abit, but then resumed contact after she made the effort. We then got back to usual, and over drinks I asked her why she didn't contact me sooner and she said that her friend told her not to speak to me to soon, and should wait for me to contact her.

this came across as something a friend would tell a friend, imo, yours Zip???


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So women obviously talk to other women (their friends) about men they like and other issues about men, but when a woman tells you that she discussed with girl A things about you.

Basically i had a small disagreement with a girl i've been flirting and gaming, we didn't speak for a week and abit, but then resumed contact after she made the effort. We then got back to usual, and over drinks I asked her why she didn't contact me sooner and she said that her friend told her not to speak to me to soon, and should wait for me to contact her.

this came across as something a friend would tell a friend, imo, yours Zip???
Of course! Women tell other women not to rush in and call a guy we like too soon or too often. I tell women not to call a man too soon or too often. It comes across as needy, expressing intent and interest too soon and in too great an amount.

This is absolutely normal. Girls say this to other girls alllllll the time. When a girl waits and lets a man make the contact... it's allowing the man to be the hunter. It's a natural role that men play, and there are theories out there that if a woman steals that hunter role for the man, it will subconsciously turn the man off. There are always exceptions, and I'm an exception to this rule, but I'd be lying if I didn't generally agree with the theory.

Want to know all there is to know about girl game? Read "The Rules." It's the female version of "The Game."

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Arrogance and cockyness, how do they come across to different types of women?


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Hi Zip,
can you please give me a little help to give me more confidence. I go out sometimes and just hang around at the bar, in this state of paralysis, thinking to myself "you asshole, go over and get blown out but do somethiing, anything!!!"

And then I blow myself out ten times more than the babes do, by simply having the negative expectation that says,
"Jesus, that hot babe over there is just SO OUT OF MY REACH, why even bother going over, saying hi, and then getting non responsive or negligible response or a nasty response/

How do I increase my confidence in myself so that I go over to the woman in positive frame and enjoy the experience and not go into cardicac arrest :cry: ?

Muchas gracias
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So women obviously talk to other women (their friends) about men they like and other issues about men, but when a woman tells you that she discussed with girl A things about you.

Basically i had a small disagreement with a girl i've been flirting and gaming, we didn't speak for a week and abit, but then resumed contact after she made the effort. We then got back to usual, and over drinks I asked her why she didn't contact me sooner and she said that her friend told her not to speak to me to soon, and should wait for me to contact her.

this came across as something a friend would tell a friend, imo, yours Zip???
Of course! Women tell other women not to rush in and call a guy we like too soon or too often. I tell women not to call a man too soon or too often. It comes across as needy, expressing intent and interest too soon and in too great an amount.

This is absolutely normal. Girls say this to other girls alllllll the time. When a girl waits and lets a man make the contact... it's allowing the man to be the hunter. It's a natural role that men play, and there are theories out there that if a woman steals that hunter role for the man, it will subconsciously turn the man off. There are always exceptions, and I'm an exception to this rule, but I'd be lying if I didn't generally agree with the theory.

Want to know all there is to know about girl game? Read "The Rules." It's the female version of "The Game."
I think I worded that wrong, because I meant her being so honest and actually admitting that she and her friend spoke about the situation, thus telling her not to speak to me to soon, is something that she would only admit to me if she considered me as a friend, and not as more.

TBH it was really off putting for me hearing her be so honest, almost an indirect LJBF.

what you reckon??

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Hey Zip.

Do you think some girls need us to be a bit more "AFC" than others? I've been gaming this girl, but like Neil and Lisa, I almost fucked it up. When I say sweet things, give her attention and etcera, she wants me more.

By the way, she has a boyfriend, but she says she wants me. That she never forgot me, blah blah. Also, she is afraid of trying because she put in her mind that I'd leave her or get tired of her. Her boyfriend is a total wussy, does everything she wants, is always with her.

What can I do to make her feel secure and at the same time, keep the attraction that I know she has... Or the feelings. I really care for her, and I wouldn't leave or hurt her.

I've been much more AFC recently, and it is bringing us closer, she is pondering breaking up with her boyfriend. At the same time, I will never leave some facets of the game, like my bodylanguage and voice tone, and my attitude in general. Can I be sweet like afc's usually are and still confident and a man? Do you think some girls need different game?

Also, i'm afraid of making her cheat on her boyfriend, she is afraid of being alone with me now because of the same reason. At the same time, I know she also cares for him.

How do I make her choose me? And if I can, how do I make her forget about him? (I know he'll fuck it a bit too by himself, because he will get really needy and tell her all sort of gay things like: I can't leave without, LULZ!

Thanks in advance. I'm in the game not for girls, but to find love. And I do love her, I could be one of the few guys who gets his one-itis. I really need your help.

EDIT: Er... I know we weren't supposed to ask questions about one-itis, of the like: "OMG I WANT HER SO MUCH HOW CAN I GET HER BACK. Etcera. But this is different. No, not special, just a different situation from the usual LJBF. I got away from her, she started talking to me recently. Let us just pretend I've been gaming her like any others of the girls I game. And if this goes badly, yes, I will fuck 20 or so girls.

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hi zip, i am trying to figure out stuff for direct day game, and i need your help

how would a girl feel if I use a direct opener like and after a while in the interaction I show her that I lose some interest to her because of what she said? Is that a kind of push pull or is it just weird?

Thanks so much

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Hey Zip. I have read quite a few of your replies and you come more across as a fun girl

So here is my question

Imagine yourself at a bar and a guy makes an approach and you feel slight attraction for him. He sounds genuine and cool. Right then another very good looking guy walking into the conversation and gets himself intro. to the two of you and starts talking to you.

1) Can you sense that the first guy is getting threatened. Is this unattractive to a girl

2) If the first guy walks away does the girl think less of him since he isnt playing to outdo the other guy. Does that make your attraction or interest get switched for guy1 to guy2

3) What is the best way that you think guy1 should react to this situation. Does showing unaffected and opening an adjust set of girls kind of make you think of him as socially adept and thus higher value.


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I get the quote.

It's true that many women do enjoy a true masculine presence in the bedroom. Usually, we don't get guys who are forceful enough in that department. Men are raised by women to "not hit girls" and to "respect women." Which is all true and all of you shouldn't hit girls and you should respect women. However, it's translated to a lacking alphaness.

The thing is... I've heard women say they have "safe rape" fantasies. That disturbs me. The word "rape" disturbs me. Rephrasing it into maybe "every woman loves a little power play." But it loses the meaning. I will tell you this too: I know men that dream about a little force-play performed ON THEM. I think it's our nature to have a little slave and master in all of us. It's just a matter of where we are on the scale at any given time.

Truth is: It holds validity for some women. I'm disturbed by the quote because I can see what Ian means. However, safe dominance is VASTLY different than saying "semi-rape."

Why does it hold validity for some women? I believe because we're taught that we have to be powerful, dominant, successful, beautiful, witty, in charge, confident.... and we become these hard-ass wicked super chicks. Women are brought up, nowadays, where we are never out of control. Even in the bedroom. Men just don't man up in there. They don't want to hurt us or push us, which is nice... but gets stressful.

In a recent study conducted by social psychologist Diana Sanchez, she gathered data to support her claim that when men are subconsciously reminded of sex they suppress dominant thought. She suggests, “[Men] may have internalized social mores prescribing respect for women’s sexual wishes:”

…Men first saw a sex related term (climax, oral) or a neutral term (table, brick) for a fraction of a second, then had to decide whether a string of letters was a real word. Subjets were slower to recognize words associated with dominance (coerce, fierce) as real words if they’d been primed with the sexy words than the neutral ones.

much to chew on.

Hi Zip, the above reply leads to a discussion that I'd like your thoughts on.

Sometimes you come across LSE or a girl who is weak and have problems in saying 'NO'. Here a dominant man could 'violate' her even if he doesn't know he is doing it. He might just think that he is being dominant. I understand the context in which you suggest being dominant but I would like to go a little off tangent and get your opinion on LSEs. The last thing that a PUA wants is for the girl to have a buyer's remorse. I mean that defeats the purpose of learning the "The Game".


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Dear Zip,

I trust that your opinion on judging a girl is closer to correct than any other guy's. So it'd be very kind of you if you can tell me what you think of this girl:

She's got a boyfriend but still go out with me, at first as a friend. After 3 dates I got to kiss her and the next day she said she wanna have a fling with me. So I figured as a sexually healthy girl she wants me right? The next coffee date we did some make out and things went fine, I made jokes she laughed, I told her to kiss me she kissed me. Then after 2 days she said she didn't wanna see me again cuz I said I missed her and that made her feel guilty. WTF?

Thanks in advance,
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Arrogance and cockyness, how do they come across to different types of women?
Arrogance and cockiness...

Well, I can tell you this... A sophisticated woman will wonder why this man thinks he's better than her... A party girl will either go with it or get offended by it... A shy girl will wonder what's wrong with her... A high quality woman will play back with a hint of truth in the banter...

What it comes down to is... when first meeting... arrogance and cockiness can work for you... as long as you give her a human side as a "reward."

Assholes sometimes finish first. Take this example from popular literature...

You know Eric, the vampire from True Blood? He's a total cocky, arrogant man... and it WORKS because he can back it up. He's a big deal. He's been around for a century, he's a former Viking for christsake, and he's very powerful (and HOT as hell.) He is so attractive because he shows humanity every once in a while. It's not a weakness, it's a reverse-rapport-break. It draws women to him because they think.... "What if I could be that girl to make him a sweetheart?"

It goes back to the bad-boy theory. All girls want a bad boy because they think that they could be the one to fix his bad boy ways.

So it's not the arrogance or the cockiness that are the real tools. It's the blink of compassion every so often.

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