Again, I've been posting alot on my skeptisicsm on natural game at the moment, but its really starting to piss me off now.

I really want to be able to master inner game, to the point where I feel like I never have to come back to this forum or even remember that I needed help in this area, and the way I see myself doing that is through inner game, because I hate being fake.

But it just seems like a big con alot of it. Positive self affirmations? What the fuck is that? Seriously.. repeating something over and over does not automatically put you in a state where you feel like your "an attractive desirable person" or whatever your affirmations are.

Being in the moment also, another incredibly vague thing to try and accomplish, its almost indescribable.

The worst offender of all is - "Not caring" about your interactions with women, the outcome or what they think of you. How the hell are you supposed to develop that? Its litterally ridiculous; another one of natural games pitfalls where a guru or someone like that tell you to just BE something, like its second nature, its not second nature! Thats the whole freakin' problem!

Whenever I discover something new in natural game it gives me a buzz and I believe it can positively benefit me, but for fuck sake, it all seems SO vague.

Anyone got any answers? This might be my last post .

natural game takes reference and social experience which is only achieved by going out, if not going out ALOT.

It's not like learning lines which you can do in 30 minutes.

I am over-analytical as a person which is why I need to figure out WHY things work and how, for me natural game just seems completely illogical. This guy called Cory Skyy basically aims to increase confidence with affirmations and says that women will approach YOU as the guy who takes these steps. Isnt that completely contradictory of pretty much EVERYTHING in pickup? The whole concept is that the man picks up the woman..

have you tried affirmations? or are you judging them prematurely?


WHY they work is the mind is forced to accept these aspects of you.

its kinda like Silopsism....what you believe is what exists. "The only reality is your reality"

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A basic principle of natural game is that whatever you feel on the inside will naturally radiate to the outside. In other words, your actions and the way you respond to various situations are a reflection of your inner state.

The reason you have a hard time grasping these concepts is because you are attempting to apply logic and reason to an area of life that is 100% emotional. In order to fully internalize natural game theory, you must first get in touch with your own emotions so that you can connect things you are familiar with to more abstract concepts like "being in the moment."

Taking that as an example, I'm sure you can remember a time in your life when you were absolutely "on fire" while talking to a group of girls--the kind of night where everything you say sends crowds of women into fits of laughter and herds of perfumed humanity hang on your every word. In sports, this same philosophy is known as being "in the zone," a surreal state where you sink almost every shot and when you don't, the rebound comes right back at you.

If you've ever experienced either of those feelings, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You were probably completely relaxed; totally unconcerned with what was happening 5 minutes or even 5 seconds from now--all that mattered was what was going on right then, in that moment. It was liberating. You felt free to express yourself without inhibition, because in a moment what you said a moment ago wouldn't matter anymore as the new moment's actions took precedence. That is "being in the moment" by definition.

Stop concentrating on what you do, and start paying attention to how what you do makes you feel.

Once you're in touch with your emotions, most of these concepts will start to make sense. From that point, all you need to do is practice controlling them until you develop the discipline necessary to maintain a constant emotional state.

Hope this helps.

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I agree on paper they do sound kinda vague but when you get out into the field lots, you suddenly realize through the night you are no longer in your head and things are just natural and fun (that is being in the moment IMO).

Not caring is another thing that takes field work (actually this is probably why new people rarely get natural game). Essentially it is when you are just chatting to women it doesn't matter if you sleep with them or not all the validation you need comes from you. So even if you get blow out all night (it happens) at the end of the night you can be like fuck it I learnt something, twas a good night.

Positive affirmations are kinda I dunno they are useful but I am not sure how, I spose it is similar to having ten people tell you you look fucking sexy if you hear it you will be like yeah I am sexy. It also helps you get into state.

As for Cory Skyy the name sounds familiar but I will have to search him out but yeah I am with him, simply by thinking/expecting things to happen they frequently do. On some nights I will not approach a single girl and yet will get approached, it is through something similar. As I see it body language and how you carry yourself is one of the main things that will get you approaches but the body follows the mind.

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I know how you feel at this point what I can tell you is at least for me as I got out into the field & practiced, I just started seeing stuff & it just clicked one day & I felt like I got it. Routines gave me the confidence to get out and try, because I had confidence in them, but I can't even imagaine doing an opinion opener now or gambit now. It's almost counter productive if you got your inner game strong. You get yourself into a happy confidence & sexual state & you're money.

There is a whole layer of sub communication going on in every interaction you probably can't see now. Once you "see the matrix" you can start to control it & you do that that by positive feelings or what ever you want to project coming from inside you. It really doesn't matter what you say at that point it's all about how you say it. You have to build the inner, but once you do you are the energy in the room & set the frames for the interations & all this makes you very attractive.

Inner game & body language is where it's at IMO study that, & positive affirmations really helped me change my belief system. I have a list I collected & read off every day. Eventually you start to internilize them & think of evidence to support the affirmations, but I also tell myself I don't need others validation because I know deep down I am a good person & what I have to say is vaulable. You have to believe that at the core for yourself or the rest is just a shell. I also have a ritual where i pump my state up before I go out. It not only makes you feel great it becomes your game. Set the frame & you want need lines chicks will make up stuff to talk to you. You can just kick back & relax.

All my cold approachs are basically situational now. I have a strong happy- confident frame & put myself in positions where it's easy to say something to a girl, & will toss out a random line in passing almost like im fishing & waiting for them to bite. I lean back, & most of the time look away, & look uninterested in a response like I only said it for my amusement, with the belief in my mind that "I'M GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO TALK TO ME". I would say 90% of the time they will turn to me get my attention, & open me up at that point, & the rest of the interation are doing the chasing & I'm the prize. It makes things so much easier. I can do this because I know 90% of the time it works, & if it doesn't this time who cares, she had her chance & there are other girls here to talk to. That's coming from a place of abundance & not worrying about outcome.

The rest of my interations basically follow being the life of the party with a happy confident frame, girls see this & you talking to others & will open you up, or either send you all kinds of IOI's from across the bar. You'll see girls very blatent eyeing you begging you to come over, or either peaping out from behind other people or out the corner of their eyes checking you out. I just walk over and say hi at that point. It's almost to easy when you get it & you combine a strong inner game & frame the body language to convey it, & little button push tricks. the community gives you.

Oh yeah and don't care what people think, you control your reality & how you feel about yourself.

Absolutely fucking grand, cheers mate, thats a great explanation. I know exactly what that feeling is like! But I want to have that feeling basically all the time you know? Im gonna keep going with the affirmations I think as well - thanks so much for that.

The thing about affirmations is that they are utterly useless unless you understand what you need to accomplish with them. In order for affirmations to truly work, you need to basically change your perception so that you believe what you are saying and you're not merely saying hollow meaningless words in the hopes that doing so will make you feel better.

For instance, telling yourself that you're fucking sexy is meaningless until you have some kind of evidence that you can use to prove to yourself and convince yourself that it's completely true, such as making out with an entire group of friends at the bar because they thought you were hot, or having girls beg you to take them home, or making out with a bachelorette at her party before the wedding; once you get evidence that you can look at and tell yourself that it really does mean what you are telling yourself, then you can use that to get rid of any self-doubt and limiting beliefs. This is where the experience of going out and doing the things that it takes in order to gain the evidence you're going to use comes in - whether from going to the bar 5 nights a week, using canned material to achieve some success, improving the way you dress and look, or whatever else it takes.

Natural game is highly vague, which is why I think it's the only thing that merrits my time to teach, because I figure most of the other stuff is just things that you can read in a book and figure out by trying. Natural game is all about epiphanies; revelations that alter your perception of yourself and the world in which you exist are what cause your abilities to grow and become greater. It's like Kristall said, "what you believe is what exists". This is MY world and everyone else just lives in it, you should try seeing it the same way and you might see some interesting changes.

Or you could use the experiences you already have, create leverage and manifest the change right now.

Also I would argue that affirmation do work... but are not very effective. Your only really using 1 of the 3 main learning modes (Visual, Auditory, Kinostetic). It's similiar to the trail and error method (just go out a lot)... that will work too but its not the most effective way because you don't control the feedback.

A PUA is 'the man' because he gets women... A natural gets women because he's 'the man'.

Build confidence and beliefs internally first, and the rest falls into place much easier. And its really pretty simple to do. Here's a primer on the process used in NLP therapy to change a belief or pattern, which I wrote some time ago. nlp-for-creating-your-alpha-self-image- ... highlight=

As you say you're an analytical person, you probably find it difficult to accept things that are difficult to rationalise. You need to suspend critical thinking to allow affirmations to work. In PU we try and suspend a woman's critical thinking and tap into her emotions, this is similar. To achieve this I suggest you do some research into hypnosis.

Since you're an analytical person, I will offer you a mental image. The X axis is time, and the Y axis can be any one of your desirable qualities which you have improved. Attractiveness, Success, etc. Now let's plot some data from your AFC days, and then add some more recent data. Join the dots, and look at the slope of the line. You can project this line into the future, and see the person you are becoming. Now place yourself on this line and realise that with each second that passes you are moving higher and higher... ...etc.

Maybe for you, some sort of self-induction followed by using this kind of script will be useful to help you internalise some beleifs.

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Natural game = your own unique game, formed and shapen by one via experience(from what they know works and does not work)

If you've sat back, and made no forward attempts as in getting out and at least trying with females, YOU WILL NEVER have a understanding to build off of. Why do you think all these PUA's say to try try try try try no matter if you fail or not? I understand that can be a blow to your ego if your failing, but if you've been reading all this material and what not, as long as your not brain dead or mentally handicapped, when your out mingling with girls your brain should click as things progress in the right direction since you have some supporting material....almost like a pattern to look for.

Itll piece together nicely after you've gained some experience(as I know it did with me and others). If you still have problems, read some real live experiences or reports on here, or talk to some peeps on here so you can at least see through other peoples experiences how things work. Sort of hard to overly analyze stuff when you have no fuel in the tank to run off of.

With all the advice given about being a natural, It helps shape your self mentally and physically:
Be yourself= Do not lie or be fake/poser(all that means)
Self affirmations= Confidence, which in turn projects proper body language
Not caring= The ability to say what comes to mind without worrying "What if?"
, bears confidence as your not afraid to speak whats on your mind, although that does not mean go balls out and offend*

So If I walk into a room of 3-4 girls using the above 3, and im not looking like a loser, propelling a confident vibe, and not seemingly caring or bothered by what they think or tell me = acknowledgement and being noticed by them ---> interest. Often If you hold yourself a certain way they pick up on that mystery of "Who is that guy, hes different"?

There's a start. You got the answers, now its time to take the test.