On three occasions recently, women have grabbed me and said "I want to take a picture with you".

- One HB8 had just walked into a bar that I frequent with a bunch of guys, grabbed me said she wanted a pic, I said "Why?", she said "Because you're cute", her friends took a pic of us, I talked to her a bit, ended up giving her my email address to send a copy of the pic. Never heard from her.

- Met two women (HB7's or so, there with one guy) at another bar I frequent. Approached one of them after I saw her checking me out, talked for a while, then she said she wanted a pic. Her friend took a pic of the two of us, then her female friend said "I want a pic too", so the guy friend took a pic of me with the two women, one on each side. I asked one of them "How can I get in touch with you? I want a copy of the pics." She said "Give me your email address", but they left before exchanging any contact info.

- I was doing a karaoke song at a bar, and a HB6 there grabbed me and started humping and grinding with me while I was singing, and had her friends take a pic or two. LOL. I approached her after and gave her my email address. (I wasn't interested in her, but was trying to use her for some pre-selection value with two other HB8's I was talking to.) I never got any pics from her.

- A waitress/bartender at one of the bars I frequent told me "I have some pics of you singing karaoke...give me your email address", so I did. Never heard anything.

I'm seeing a pattern here. LOL. It's pointless for me to give a woman my email address. I need to get her email address, but her taking a pic with me lends itself more to me giving her my email. I'm trying to think of a good way to turn this around so that I get her email address. (Perhaps I should take a camera with me and start grabbing cute women for a pic, eh?)

Your thoughts please brothers,
Gruuve

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Yo Bro,

treat this like a major IOI.

Most girls are flakey so I think it is to be expected this behaviour.
Next time some hottie asks to take a photo, I would say, OK, but it is gonna cost ya. Hands off the merchandise, this aint for free babes. and other routine mystery method strategies.
If any hottie is asking for ya photo, I would milk it to the full. start to build up comfort and neg, saying just cos I let you have a photo, doesn't mean your going to have your wicked way with me.

Basically this would raise your value.
Good luck.

E

Hey buddy

First of all, massive praise for spotting the pattern and acting to correct it. That's more than half the work already done. I'll take each situation separately then summarize.
In my opinion this is simply a power game - she's using you. You're a doormat. In a way it's like offering to buy her a drink - you're just giving your power away. She probably only wanted the picture with you for HER social proof, be it then and there or later the pictures of her on facebook or whatever. Maybe if you're lucky, she actually was genuinely interested - it's basically a shit test - and you failed by just jumping into her hoop like a subservient rent boy. What you could have done instead, is NOT jump into her hoop. Something like "No, you have to earn the picture first." Make them work for it!

If a girl came up to me and told me I was cute and wanted the picture, I would think, what the hell gives her the right, status and value to be able to demand my time and will? Remember, you're the prize. If you went and did that to a hot girl, would she just consent and do it? No! She's a hot girl and you're a dumb boy! So in this situation, you should be the hot guy and she should be the dumb girl. You are high value, and high value people don't just give themselves away. She has to work for that picture.

Two main points; you're trying to email close her too early - they've shown some interest, but they're still at the stage of testing your metal. They don't want to seem easy, and by taking that IOI as permission to email close, they may feel too easy.

Secondly, and this is clearly a running theme in these experiences - fuck the email close! Email is shit! I really don't know what's with you giving your email all the time. Email does have a place in pickup, but this is not it. If you really want to get details, number close. But moreover, YOU SHOULDN'T BE NUMBER/EMAIL CLOSING. These girls have just given you permission to sarge them. They don't want another of the thousand of guys who's just taken their contact details and then try to contact them in a dumb way when they're BT is as low as your dick once you find out they've forgotten about you. They want to be sarged, not number closed! So sarge them. Time-bridging in pubs and clubs is often more difficult then just going for the SNL. If you DO choose to get details/number close, set up a day 2 and sarge there and then.

Remember, numbers are not an end - they are a means to an end. Set up the day 2, then get the number merely as a practicality.
Haha. Cool. I think you know anything I would say here.
You need a lesson in subcommunication buddy! MAYBE, just maybe, she genuinely wanted to go out of her way and actually bother to go home and email some random guy at a pub pictures of him. Would you do that? Fuck no! Who the hell does that? Chances are, she was actually just opening you and wanted to see where things would go with you. You should have just carried on playing the game with her and largely ignored her initial comment. Example:

HB: "I have some pics of you singing karaoke...give me your email address"

PUA: "OMG, are you like some sort of stalker? You perv! I'm going to have to whip on my black latex trousers and CIA sunglasses and tie you to the wall."
Some people say a camera is a PUA's best friend. It's hard to disagree. I always bring mine (with accidental damage cover, no less).

All in all, don't email close. Go for the full close every time. Only if you either get TRULY blown out, or logistics are bad, then number close and time bridge/set up day 2. If for some reason you really want to email close, remember that what determines a good number/email close has almost NOTHING TO DO with how you actually deliver the close. It has everything to do with everything you have done prior to that moment, and how well you have seeded the idea of meeting her another time. If you time bridge, you need to do as much as you can to make sure she remembers you a few days later, when her BT is low, she's in a bad mood, forgot about the passed few days and is busy at work.

You also need to remember that you are the prize and not take HB's bait too easily. Remember cat string theory - you are giving them the string too early.

Hope this helps buddy!

Fuck Rafael! That's some really heavy duty cool insite!

Groove that is way cool. The only thing that I could add, would be since it is a re-accuring thing, you build a script/routine around it. So eveytime it happens you are going down a very well traveled road that always takes you to someplace good.

OK, this is just some bullshit, but an idea of what a routine might look like. SOmething that builds attraction, adds value, throws a neg and is fun.

"Can we have your picture?"
"Sure, I'd love that. Seems like fun to me. But the weird thing is, I'm not allowed. I'm a model and my image is copyrighted! Can you believe it!?!"
"No way for real!?!"
"Yep"
"WHo do you model for?"
"I'm a hand model"
"For real!?!"
"No that's bullshit. Man you guys sure ask a lot of personal questions. Are you stalkers?
"No!!!"
"hmmm, are you sure? I think I saw your friends eyes look left. Did you know they say that when people lie, there eyes look left? It's a sure fire sign of D E C E P T I O N
"Really?
"Look!!! SHe did it again!!!"
"No I didn't!"
"Ok,, give me your hands and look into my right eye and my right eye only'



Etc, Etc, Etc,

I totally agree. Despite the apparant direction of pickup heading towards natural game in this day and age, there's absolutely nothing wrong with scripting your own routines, so long as you don't use the same opener on the same girl 3 times (as I did with this blonde HB8 a few months ago. Fortunately she was the courteous type).

I love the script nightrider made up on the spot too. Starts cocky then adds in funny at the right time. Forgive me for being pedantic, though the looking to the left thing is only true if they look up and to the left (visual constructed), or directly to the left (auditory constructed). Looking down and to the left (this is all from our view) is checking out internal feelings kinaesthetically. Furthermore, this only works on about two thirds of people. This is probably fine to play the probabilities, because loads of the other third will be dumb credulous blonde plastics (excuse the gross stereotype), or just people pretending to understand what you're talking about amidst the loud noise.

What I almost always do is notice where their eyes go for visually remembered experiences (usually up and to the right, from our view). Then you can contrast that with the lie. Anyway, I digress.

Rafiel and others...damn, that was great. Thank you for that excellent post! I guess I haven't gotten it burned into my head yet that I'm the prize...I need to work on that, then the right responses should come easily. Of course, scripting the right responses for when it happens again will help burn the idea into my head, so it's all good.

Cheers!
Gruuve

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You can't buy this type of advice anywhere Gruuve!! Rafiel and knightrider have put it very good context and what they've said, i cannot repeat. You're being OPENED by HBs, bro. Use it to your advantage - its not the case that HBs open a guy so I guess we understand why this has had you going down the wrong route. I can only imagine that the other HBs in the clubs look at you as somebody that's easy to control and you don't want to send out that message.

Reminds me of a time I was deejaying at a house party a year back and this HB9 walked up to me and went:

"If you play Jay Z, I'll play Beyonce."

It wasnt a request for a song - she was out to get gamed and simply opened me better than the silly requests for songs without a follow-up hook. Naturally I let her play Beyonce to my Jay Z a week later.

Enjoy your sarges!!