I dont think MM is completely redundant, but yeah I see where your coming from with saying its fucking you up.

The thing that ive noticed that both Brent smith and Cory skyy try to teach is being unnaffected, in the way that you shouldn't care about any interaction with women and that lack of caring is what creates strong attraction, but I don't understand how you train your mind to do that.. again its like a double edged sword, because you do care about the outcome in the back of your mind, so to pretend you dont is really counter-intuitive to me =/

I've also got one-itis, so trying to act like I dont care what people think of me is difficult around her, its so fucking annoying.

The biggest mistake you can make is to believe that someone has all the answers. Blindly following a method, be it MM, natural, DDA, NLP or anything is not good.

My point is, if you learn enough then you are gonna come out of the jungle of methods and realize that they were all trying to teach you the same things... The method was just a way to get there.

The MM also teaches inner game, if you dont pick that up, you go read some other method until you get it. My method, my own personalized method that works for me has bits and pieces from almost all the major methods. I just happened to like some parts better and some parts less.

As for Mysterys way of telling you to get out there and go into sets... Its a way of getting you to start practicing. To train you in social interaction. No method can teach you the things that experience can.

Some of us needs to practice some parts more than others. I never had to practice AA because it wasnt a problem. Others desperately need to practice opening several hours in field.

None of the methods is complete BS! It just fits different people differently, chose the one that gets you started. It is just a starting point.

Ezo

Your half correct, feeling passion in itself creates huge attraction.

It's about "What" you are affected by, not what "if" you are affected.

You really have to let go man. Stop worrying about what to do with women. Stop trying to be good with women. Stop caring if women like you. Stop caring if she calls you back or not. And MAINLY... Stop going out of your house to meet women, go out to have fun. Picking up women shouldn't be on your mind.
It takes some practice, but it is very fulfilling because you will then give off that good energy that allows women to be receptive to you. If you are walking AROUND IN THE STORE and you have "attracting women" "meeting women" on your mind, you will give off that needy energy. Women spot this, easily.It will show in your face and the way you hold yourself. And its a turn off.. Here's another thing.

So when you learn to stop caring how your interactions turn out with women. To don't give a fuck if you get laid or not. Don't need pussy. From that point, it will actually be fun to approach women. If you get nervous before talking to women... {Approach Anxiety} its because you want something from them. Whether its her pussy, positive reactions, a date, whatever.. So when you really don't care and just talk to people WITHOUT trying to get something from them, you will have absolutely NO problem talking to women, cause you wont care. But the secret to this is,

When you go up and say hi to women, or how are you? or how is the food here? or so is that a good book? You should have NO agenda on your mind but to talk to her. YOU SHOULD NOT WANT HER. You can, but don't care about it.
And once you chat her up a bit, you don't need to worry about closing her., or giving her your number for "business reasons" or "info exchange". You can simply say "ok nice talking to you, im gonna go check something out or whatevr.
When you do this for a while, It creates a mindset of non neediness. A non outcome oriented mindset. And the conversations don't have to last for more than one minute during this "practice". You will soon have confidence up the roof. But you still can't care if you ever get laid or not. When you have a connection with a girl and you know she likes you, or you atleast think she likes you, you can simply ask "take my number" tell me how your day went. Make it very non threatening. Do not hit on them, unless you want... David wygant teaches this in one way or the other cause Brent smith and him are on a podcast together.

Yeah but dude... I really DO care about getting laid, I really want to get laid as often as possible, whenever I see a hot girl its on my mind, this approach is almost like denying your natural urges in some ways isnt it?

Amen bro

Its been over a week since I made this post and I've realised that the Cory Skyy stuff is helpful in explaining the ways in which attraction works, but its so fucking vague, no structure to it at all but it gives you a great mindset so that was worth it.

Brent Smith was a load of balls to be honest, I listened to a couple of podcasts and just thought.. "no no no" to alot of what he had to say, like remaining constantly unnaffected and never pursuing women and not caring about getting laid. Again, not only did this have no structure, but also didn't give me a great mindset. Cory Skyy was so much more beneficial, Brent Smith sounded like a joke to be fair.

I've found Sinn has really really helped my attitude. Honestly if you haven't checked out some of his ideas at the under 21 convention I would recommend them for example when he talks about turning pick-up into something thats actually fun it made me realise that I was taking everything too seriously. He explains how to be direct but make the women around you comfortable, and overall promotes a more healthy attitude to pickup.

Likewise, AFC Adam did help in terms of explaining the things that set apart a natural from the others, abundance, confidence and the ability to sexually escalate. Although he made it very clear how everything worked, I wasnt sure I agreed with the idea of making 'friends' with girls you are interested in and becoming a sort of "gay but straight" best friend in order to get them to come out with you, although it clearly worked for him.

David Wygant came across as a bit of a dick I felt, again he was quite vague and unhelpful. Thanks for the advice anyway guys.