I'm confused really, I know that a lot of the methods on here work, but to be honest, they all contradict each other way too much for my liking.. I guess the most accepted method would be MM? But that doesn't work along side 'gunwitch' and things like that, direct Vs indirect annoys me a lot, as I would like to be able to use just one method consistently and have it work time and time again.

Which methods have you lot found to be the most effective for you personally Is my main question, and if you would like to tell me why that'd be great.

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Man, this qeustions been eating away at the back of my mind for days! I really dont know the answer, I gusse it all up to personal pefrences. I dont think one single model can fit every individaul.
But what I do hate is when one model openly tries to say the other one is wrong. I dont belive anyone's model is "wrong" or even harder, people just have different ways of doing things. If it doesnt work for you than it doesnt wokr for you - its doesnt mean it doesnt work for others. It really pissses me off when people say the MM is too "old", i mean there aer people out there who spend months reading through the book taking in every word and shifting their belives - just for you to tell them its all wrong and what you have to say is right? I mean come on. If Mystery can do it than surely you can too. Work with whichever model you have. If it works, brilliant. If it don't see why it's wrong - most likely it doesnt fit your personality, than change it so it does. Its not wrong or worse than the new and "quicker" methods PUA are realseing.

Anyone else care to elaborate on how they combined methods together or atleast know what I mean?

if you find yourself more in certain game situations more often, focus on a method meant for that.


and Gunwitch isn't much of a method past state control, so its easily tossed onto any other method.

Way you can merge GWM and MM: MM+Sexual State



I think you're looking for problems that don't exist.

If you want a method that works for you consistantly, go through a bunch of the methods, and mix the ideas that vibe with you, and use them. Develop your own style.

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Just up my alley.

Ok, you suggested the Mystery method is the best right? Wrong, that's probably the worst, most difficult, must unfulfilling thing you can do with your life. Not to mention It can frustrate you and cover your true person, and when the women see right through you, they will think your weird and not a normal guy. It's not the way to go. Women can smell weird guys a mile off, see them coming, and blow them out. That doesn't happen to naturals.

Ok, gunwitch is way too complicated. He tales one tiny subject, and makes like 12 minutes worth explaining it. Thats not what this is about either. David deangello is not good with women, he just studys it and will confuse you as well as Carlos Xuma, this guy has 4 fuckin different DVD'S on Being an Alpha male! Come on, someone trying to make some money or what? Point is, its not THAT confusing, and anyone whom makes it so confusing is out trying to make alot of money from shit that doesn't work.

Go natural. Cory Skyy, Brent Smith, David Wygant. Purely the best and ONLY REAL, naturals.

Cory skyy teaches using affirmations and visualizations to get your inner game right, because if thats not right, you fail miserably with women, no matter HOW many routines you use. He also teaches using eye contact building attraction with women.

Brent Smith gets laid like a fuckin rock star, all he has are podcasts, and like two 3 minute videos. He teaches more outer game, and some inner game, he also suggests using affirmations and visualizations. On outer game, he teaches you a way of BEING to be attractive magnet. Not doing, BEING. Very Very simple stuff. Very easy never confusing, but definately focus more on night time. Clubs, bars,partys.

David Wygant! He is the fuckin best. Once you are getting your inner game together, get into his stuff, it teaches using situational conversation starters, and being that sexy mother fucker. His No excuses and mens mastery series are fucking solid platinum value. Its all you really need, when it comes to outer game stuff.

There you go, I hope you have fun.

Here is a link to 2 of cory skyy's podcasts. (1 hour each)

http://www.badboywithaheart.com/audio/Davidd1.MP3

http://www.badboywithaheart.com/audio/Davidd2.MP3

Excellent approach. Treat methods like support, but the core must be you. You don't want to be fake, to imitate somebody, right?

About different methods - well, I personally put the greatest emphasis on NLP, but I always try to figure out, which of them will be most successfull with a particular woman.

Cool mate thanks a lot for that

Do I have to pay for any of this stuff? The cory skyy podcasts are brilliant btw.

Firstly MM is the most commercial, but to almost everyone, it's known for GAPING flaws and limiting beliefs.

Each method has it's own truth in it, but it has to be applied tastefully.

I'll type more later, but welcome to the world of PU it's full of razor edge paradoxical balances.

The balance between supplicating and giving value.
Compassionate leader and frame dominating alpha.
Creating passioanate tension and a relaxing rapport.
Being ambigious, and being up-front about desires.
Approaching someone you have never met, and making it seem normal.

I used to be an MM supporter, then a GW fan, then a NLP fan, then a pure third gen. In the end I just let everyone contribute, the defining factor of it all is me, and MY METHOD, it is MY personnal method that makes me an artist, not a practitioner.

MM contradicts alot of stuff, because in those situation MM is usually just flat out wrong.

In all honesty, most succesful PUA's don't really have a fixed equation for what they do, I've studied methods and implemented them, all I have is an understanding social inter-actions, of women, of myself, and I go out and I apply that. At it's core PU is about understanding and applying, not following a model, thats just how some people apply it.

The model and method is irrelevant, what it teaches and how it works are far more important.

And to angel, MM works and it's a huge part of history, but it's like the steam train, a beautiful peice of work, but tottaly out-dated and out-classed by it's contemporary counter-parts. And it is known for royally fucking it's practitioners up when it comes to emotional developement and relaionships.

Key point, stop thinking about methods, start understanding concepts and how they apply. Think about how a method works, and ask yourself "how could I apply those mechanics to me".

Do you have to pay? Well for cory skyy, you might want to purchase his Magnetic mindset cd's, but I can break it all down. Its using affirmations and visualizations. Here are a few things you can say out loud in the mirror staring into your eyes, and smiling or not. **I love women, and women love me** **I am a sexually desireable man** **Women want to fuck me everywhere I go** **I am one sexy son of a bitch** **I AM very confident and i believe in myself** NOW you want to feel these affirmations, not just say them. (give alot of energy into feeling them give power, so they become reality) Do them every day. Never skip even one day. They will start to change your whole life. Your inner confidence will grow and grow. You won't believe it. Your changing all the negative beliefs you had about yourself and women From the past years. So give it a few months, depending on how long you were fucked up.


Brent smith... His method is amazing. Free, my friend sent me a package with all of his podcasts. like 11 of them, but the only ones you need are 1 and 2. It is amazing amazing. You will thank me in the long run. My friend said he got them free somewhere on the internet. He googled it. so i don't know. But this guy hasn't any ebooks or dvd. All you need my friend is to listen to the first 2 calls. Apply his mindset and way of life.


David wygant in a nutshell, is find something situationally relevant, and start a conversation with a woman, but be dressed well, and talk to alot of people. Even if its just "hi" with a smile. Wygant is very good. Yes, buy his mens mastery audio, but you don't have to do everything he says, because Brent smith teaches a little different.


All these three are the only thing I need to apply. And any aspiring Natural I would suggest this to. Its not about talking alot. These dumbasses that worship they whole mystery method thing teach you to be the one doing most of the talking thats bullshit. We are not women, women talk alot. If we try to talk more than the womna, its just weird. It's not good. Women like to do all the talking, stop trying so desperately to prove yourself to women guys.Thats why they laugh at you.

Thanks for the replies people, the inner game stuff with Cory and Brent smith are brilliant BUT, once you have the 'magnetic mindset' as explained, should I still use other techniques such as negging etc?

I mean learning inner game is great in boosting confidence BUT none of these techniques such as affirmations actually teach you what to say to women to create attraction.

I think there the different methods are not just there to have different ways of doing it they are usually proven to work, the problem with them is one single method in you mind is all well and good but it may not work with some people for instance the MM he clearly states he it will not work on some people as flamboyant and different people do interest a lot of women they scare and even discust some girls. The negging approach is all well and good if a girl has high self esteem as you are only bringing her back down to earth a little whereas if you neg a low self esteem girl you may truly hurt her and no amount of positive reinforcement is going to help that. The same can be said with high esteemed girls as well some will not take even the smallest neg lightly and brush you off instantly.
There are girls out there that are interest in wealth, looks and power and will settle for no less these girls no matter how good your game is if you don't impress her with one or all of these qualities you are going nowhere fast. They may not even acknowledge you.
The other thing is not every method is going to work for everyone as the MM does not for me I think I have a great sense of style infact I have had many people both male and female comment on the fact that I have great taste in style and alot of my friends have imitated my style so I am constantly changing it. But I would not be comfortable wearing a totally peacocked outfit I would feel like a tool and at the end of the day I want a method that I am comfortable with so I personally have taken many of what I consider the finer points of the MM and have added them to my notes and am currently trying to put together a method that will come naturally to me.
I find the cocky funny is the easiest as I am a very cocky person and comedy is very easy but I tend to make the funny at the expense of other guys which constantly results in violent situations so until I can master a new funny I am destined to work it out with other methods and combining.
My suggestion as with others above is to adapt and try and find your own method by combining points you feel comfortable with.
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I find different things from different styles work the best. I personally use Gambler-esque things alongside Aces douche game. Although recently I have just been using eye contact.

As for the contradictions it is because if you got a person with one arm, a person with one leg and a normal guy and asked them the best way to play drums they would all tell you what is effective for them rather than teh best way. The more natural people look more at components of attraction rather than techniques.

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When you intertnalize those beliefs and visualize having what you want and feeling it, You are golden. You don't need to talk to create attraction. Guys want a magic line, or words to say. Guess what, women love to do the talking , your job is to be interested in her, and one confident guy. Thats all you need, the words will come out naturally.

One of the main things you need to internalize is that you don't need to worry about the "words to say" to a woman, she doesn't care about what you say. She cares about the way you project yourself. Negging should not even be in your vocabulary, it is a community term and naturals don't even know what a neg is. If your gonna build an attractive mindset and just be a woman magnet, you don't neg. That is for losers whom don't have high self esteem, so can't deal with a woman's self esteem.

What to say? once you have the mindset that women DO want you, you just be that calm dude and don't be afraid to smile and make eye contact, your words will sail naturally. None of these guys teach you what to say, they teach you a way of being. Being a way that is attractive to women. You be the one they chase after you keep all your power. Order Brent Smith's podclasses, but only listen to the first 2 calls. The rest is too much talk and might confuse you. He can sum up his whole gameplan in the first 2.

If you need practice talking to women in general, simply ask them questions about themselves. and listen.. Shut the fuck up, and listen.. Make eye contact when you are talking to her.

My game is based on the MM.

It works wonders but on the other hand... Im not only using the MM. You can put almost any methods together as long as you understand what they are really trying to tell you.
If you only watch the MM DVDs of course you will not get all the inner secrets and all the underlying things. I am sure Mystery has done a lot of affirmations as well. I am sure most of the good PUAs are proficient with more than one method.

In the end, they all come to the same point, the point where you do not need the game, the point where you are more or less natural. To choose a method is more or less to chose which bus you are gonna take to work, they all arrive at the same place but the road is a bit different.

Im not gonna lie, I tried the Mystery method a year back. And I thought It was amazing, and I still think its very creative, hell at one point, Mystery was my hero.
But, while I was putting his beliefs and techniques into action, It started to really screw me up as a person. I actually started believing that women were mean! And cruel! to the point Where I HAD major approach anxiety. And here's one experience....

I was in target, I was walkin, and I went up by this very cute like 8. She was from i think puerto rico. Well, I started negging her, soft, playful,she was laughing and messing with her hair alot, like she loved me.! nothing new this happens alot. SO, After im negging her, I say bye and leave. While she clearly wanted me, I felt screwy. I wasn't being myself and I was a fake weird version of me. Something just wasn't right. yes,

I called her a "set" a one set in my mind, So that was the first stupid thing I did. No more calling women sets. Or targeting. It makes women seem like objects, and while you may be blind to its effects, Women pick up on this. It goes on and on, but point is, to me, I figured out fuck Mystery and Strauss method, Now if they would have taught inner game and a way of being FIRST, hell, you wouldn't have eeven needed routines or openers..


Another thing Mystery fucks alot of mens mind including mines, is that you have to open 7 "sets" atleast 4 days a week for 3 years. He said that specifically, and it's BULLSHIT. Wow..