AHA! "Mainly" it's pretty much all I do cold approach wise.

What are wings for?


Social proof primarily, secondarily a whole load of shit pre-selection, leader etc etc

Ultimatly I find solo sarging easier, I tend to find that most wings get in my way.

Kind of like the friendly AI in FPS games. (gaming joke, ho ho ho!)

Theirs not much to be said for solo-sarging apart from social proof and avoiding being DLV'd for not being with people, and madals has covered this pretty well.

How can I add to this....

Look at it this way. Having social proof takes the pressure off your back, makes hooking eaiser with group sets, proves your not a psycho (this is good comfort wise) and helps you dhv.

But it also slows down physical escalation and "sexualisation" of the conversation, and can make girls shy about flirting with you while your friends are thier.

To compact it to a sentance.

Sarging without social proof is slightly harder than sarging with social proof, but it's ALOT more free.

Hey guys!

Ok so a few months ago I went to my first ever strip club. It was such a new and amazing experience to my AFC background that, when I came back home and started learning about the game, I committed to building up my stripper game as much or more than any other aspect of my game.

Last night was my friend's birthday so we went out the club. I was sharply dressed, decently peacocked, and versed in patterns like the cube which are said to impress strippers. I was above all else equipped with the mentality that spending any money would disqualify me from getting anything real. Against my advice, my friend wanted A. To go on a saturday night and B. just to go with the two of us. This means, as the pick up community has warned me, that A. there were like 6 dudes for every dancer and B. whenever he was at the table waiting for a dance, I was left all alone.

Needless to say, I didnt get anywhere far. A half-hour before the club closed I cut my loses, bought a lap dance, and through sheer gaming experience got her to do a few extra things for me, and an extra-extra long dance. But what the fuck, I still paid her for it.

My friend decided he wants to go back either to the same club (which I will discourage) or another in a few days. We plan to go on a Tuesday or Wednesday and this time bring a proper entourage. I'm sure this will make things easier, but I'm still really disheartened by this failure after so much preparation and such high dreams after reading lay-reports on this website!

Is there any advice that you guys could give in the very near future that I can implement next time?
The two biggest points of focus are:

1.How do I stand/sit in a position that makes me not seem needy but doesnt discourage girls from approaching? I experimented last night when I went and I saw that, depending on my position, either of those two extremes always resulted.

2. Even more important, how do I express that I'm not willing to pay without showing a "go away" attitude. This was much harder than i expected. I got better at this as the night went on, but still more than half of the girls just said "no problem" and walked away. Im sure this has to do with the number of other potential customers that were there on a saturday night, but i was still FAR from giving them that feeling that they were losing something great by walking away from me.


And, as a side note, what are your thoughts on approaching a stripper? I assumed that this would be totally counter-intuitive and very DLV, but at the same time there were a few dancers in particular who i wanted to talk to who were either constantly busy or far away.

Thanks!

Some are fun, some are psycho's, seriously strippers and organised crime go hand in hand, not as much as prostitution or drugs. But it's not uncommon for a connection to be their.

It's a problem more with logistical risks, hanging out with strippers is a good way to have your bank account drained or recieve a threat from the club managers "friends."

That being said I'm currently gaming a girl who dances on tables at a coyote bar.... and as far as scare stories go, I've had none.

That was just a heads up nothing more!

I think the both of us (myself and madals), being so young have very little knowledge when it comes to gaming strippers, at least while they are working.

So be warned the advice I am giving is theoretical and NOT from first hand experience.

1. Approach strippers if you want, I can't really see how it would be DLV, she's a stripper for christ sake!

Use a semi direct opener, like... theirs something different about you, it's your aura, then find a way to break her state and get her thinking "outside of work", while her mind is on the job it's really a tough nut to crack.

2. Payment, when she brings it up just say, "ignore that for now" and IMMEDIATLY continue with your thread. Just downplay it.

Strong Frame, that seems to be the most obvious one to me.

Give it a shot and tell me how it goes, I'd be interested to hear

Hi,

So i was wondering what is a graceful way to accept a compliment from a girl and then also turn it around into something fun/good in push pull.

Ie. She Says: Hey I like your shirt/hair/shoes.

I always seem to respond, "Oh thanks, I like it too." Which sounds really stupid and usually ends the conversation. Also i want something funny I guess, i don't really want to end up talking about fashion. I guess its something that comes naturally.

Got any tips?

I guess untill now i haven't given it a lot of thought. I'm looking for a direction to take it as well as suggestions of a reply.
Its not like I can treat it like a ST can I?

This is easy
"thankyou" *smile* *kino* "new topic of conversation"

Honestly, something funny will give you a short term buzz at best, this will do a lot more.
The smile show's you liked it. The kino is a positive reinforcement that when she does something that escalates and helps the interaction you like it. The new topic of conversation should have a higher energy to it, because your showing again that when she puts effort in you put more in as well.

In simple terms, you want her to realise that if she helps you to get together, you will help it as well. What will probably happen is she will work more from you working more and a lovely chain happens where you both escalate the interaction

Hey madals thanks for the tip. I always seem to take it and talk about myself, then finish my nervous babble then silence. This should do wonders for me

So I tried it out.

I have a new hat, two girls have noticed it, well after I got the tip above anyhow.
Both times I just took the compliment and gave a nice thank-you and big smile and moved on. Both times there was a real cool vibe going on afterwards.
I'm on my way!

Hello Madals and Fin,

I'm pretty new to this, but my question is with regards to openers. What are some good openers that I could use during day game? how about night game? The thing is I've been called out twice already using material from The Game and I've gone blank both times. I just want to have a couple of good openers that I could work with for the first few times.

Well I'll tell you, if I used a scripted indirect opener and got called on it, I'd probably just say "yes you caught me, I'm hitting on you because I thought you were attractive and wanted to get to know you".

Your problem their if your drawing a blank is just your framing.

Otherwise,

"Excuse me, this may sound a bit abstract but, what do you think about guys in pink?"

"Hi, could you help me for a second? I would like to know, do you think an ear peircing would make me look gay?"

You may notice I said excuse me, and I also asked if I could say my opener.

It's not traditional PU, but my experience has shown me that a little manners in your opener demonstrates a gentile character which helps with attraction and more importantly comfort.


Should warn before I end this post I do day game 98% of the time. Madals my chime in later he's the night gamer out of the two of us.

Every tried going direct cellophane?

Thanks a lot for this Fin. Those openers are enough to keep me busy for a few weeks at the least I'll test them and try post a field report later.

Hi
If Im sitting with 2 girls, one of them tells a story about their friend and the 2 of them go of in a tangent, what is the alpha thing to do? Cut in / start a new thread / join their thread / let them waffle it out. Lets assume leaving is not n option.

Thanks!

Look confused then make a demand in a non serious way that they tell you "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!"



Joke about it ofcourse, don't just be a douche

I'm trying to get a woman who knows me and likes me a great deal (at least as a friend), to feel sexual/physical attraction toward me. I've asked many questions on this subject and I've read material on it.
The best advice I was given was to cut her off completely for a couple weeks and when I restart my friendship with her, to be flirtatious. The issue with that is SHE keeps contacting ME and even invited me over late last night but I said no, I was too tired. I'm thinking there is some attraction already there but I don't know so I'd rather assume that there isn't.
So what I'm looking for is this; I have a friend who I am close with and knows me, that I am very attracted to and I need some "material" or ways to flip her atttraction switches so that she feels attraction toward me. Thanks

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

Neither of us bother with scripted material.

But this seems like your typical LJBF situation.

Freeze out for a while, (this could range from weeks to months depending on how long you have known each-other for) and when you reconnect, mkae sure you are highlighting your attractive traits.

Becuase she has already contacted you etc etc, I'd freeze out for just 2-3 weeks or so.

You can do it without a freeze out, but mentaly and theoretically etc it's much easier with a freeze-out.

Freeze out then game away my good friend. (Y)

btw Sorry for the long ass time to reply.