Hey all, once again I'm gaming another girl and just my luck, she has a boyfriend... hooray. I guess all the ones I want are taken already

OK, about me. I am 18 years old, used to be religious so I've never had a relationship with non-christian girls... but I don't believe that crap anymore so here I am trying to get with some girls fast, and get better game than my friends have. They have like 3-4 years more experience than I do with girls.

I am caucasian, 5'4, 125 lbs. Very lean guy. I have short light brown hair, pretty good looking IMO besides my fucking jew nose.

Farthest I've gotten is kissing girls, again, christian chicks don't really put out, haha! So here I am at college, mind wide open to new ideas and my roommate recommends I read The Game. Changed my life.

I've been trying out Deangelo's cocky funny thing, it's working GREAT. Seriously I can't believe my own eyes sometimes, she eats this stuff up. Considering I'm a total newbie at this I just still can't believe that despite my inexperience it's working. I've always been a confident and comical guy, just not around girls, but now I can see just how effective it is.

This girl is like really really cute, she has straight light brown hair, she's 5'0, really petite but nice, fit-in-your-hand size tits. Probably the only HB I've met so far that is smaller than I am, but still fuckable.

Anyways, she's been giving me some IOIs despite the fact she's in a relationship. I'll list just a few, tell me if I'm right these are good signs.

HB 8 IOI LIST:

-If I turn away or leave to talk to someone else she follows.

-Her eyes shift from my lips to my eyes sometimes when I'm making eye contact.

-Touching excessively at times... grabbing hand, touching chest, leg, etc.

-She came over and while we were talking she opened a drawer by my bedside. Seeing a box of condoms, she looked me in the eye and said "you'd better have used all these by tomorrow night". Wow, haha

-Initiates texting convos and I always leave her hanging (never get the last word in) and she'll text again.


So it's quite obvious she's really into me. Problem is I don't know how trustworthy she is. If I try anything, will she just run back to her boyfriend on me, shut me down... what? I know she wants it, but I'm quite sure if anything actually happened between us that she'd suddenly freak out because she's "cheating" and it'd ruin everything.

Here are some facts aboout her boyfriend that totally mystify me why she's still with him. I know all this because he is a friend of mine.

BF FACTS:

-He lets her make all the decisions, every single one of them.

-He compliments her constantly.

-He's boring... we're talking like going to bed at 9 and doing tons of homework boring. this is literally 9:00 PM btw!!

-He pays for absolutely everything.

-He's really clingy.

Basically he's a run of the mill AFC, reminds me of myself a while ago. I'm surprised she hasn't pulled the whole "ignore calls for two weeks then when you meet in person drop LJBF on you" thing on him. I have deduced she is using him for sex. This is because she ignores him completely until he is about to go to bed, then goes over there overnight almost every evening.

There is one thing I must add to this equation however. She was from a VERY small town and was a virgin before she slept with him for the first time four weeks ago. Considering her inexperience with relationships she might consider her activities with him to be normal. I doubt she is this naive but she could possibly be mistaking her desire for sex to be an indication that she likes him.

I don't want routines, openers, anything. Just some advice of how to get somewhere with this chick without setting off any alarm bells in her head...

Oh and BTW do you guys want pics or is that a no no...

I highly discourage the idea of 'stealing' someone's girlfriend away from them. If she's dissatisfied with her relationship, she'll leave on her own.

This is what gives PUAs bad names. Don't go for it dude. Like the discovery channel says...

Wait till she gets broken up with... And like a bleeding fish in the middle of the ocean. The shark can smell it from a mile away.

Hope that helps man .

dont get all moral on me, most hot girls have BFs and there is no reason I'm just gonna wait until she's between guys. That's what an AFC does. If I can get with this girl, I will...

basically to sum it all up, I don't want to take a risk without a reward... so how would I go about doing this right...

EDIT: Anyone who's not "new to the pua forum" want to back me up on this? Stealing GFs is fair game. A lot of girls have boyfriends because A) it's easy for a hot girl to get a boyfriend and B) their friends pressure them into it.

This is like the blind leading the blind so far (no offense guys, but I prefer the advice of more experienced members! thanks for the bump though )

oneitis

If she was a virgin until she had sex with him four weeks ago then that could explain why she's still with him, many girls want to believe that their first time was with someone special. Doesn't mean she's going to stay with him, though... in my opinion, quite the opposite, she will soon "outgrow" him.

You can definitely make yourself come across as a lot more interesting than him - should be a piece of cake. I would say try to take your conversations to a more sexual level - doesn't necessarily have to be personal but should get the thought in her head. Also, return the touching... basically try to get her as turned on as you can without necessarily crossing the boundary into "cheating" until she herself really wants to. Yeah, she probably will freak out when push comes to shove but there is a lot of info on this site about what to do in that case so just read up on it.

P.S. Sorry, I'm also "New to <a href="">PUA Forum</a>" but I've read a lot of it and yeah, everyone steals GF's, after all how serious is an 18-year-old's relationship, anyway? Sorry, no offence to you younger folk...

Ask yourself, is she gonna be better off with you?

I've been here a while and I'm saying don't do it... Hmm, who else can you turn to now?

Say you get her. K, now when you become AFC in the relationship (it'll happen), how are you going to feel when someone comes and grabs her from you? If its gonna end, it'll end. There is no reason for you to be the cause of the breakup.

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haha I don't want a relationship I just want sex. She seems easiest right now... other than all those dumb college sluts I wouldn't dare touch.


wow seriously I didn't expect this response at all, pretty much every other thread you guys are all like "go for it". Is it because this time the BF isn't that bad of a guy?

yeah im gonna go with the dont do it...
im not going to bother getting into it here since your comments lead me to believe that your gonna plow ahead anyway bourbon...

but unlike your post convays...
a core value of PUA is leaving the girl BETTER than when you found her, causing her to cheat on her boyfriend/fiance/husband isnt leaving her better off.

Now I realize your trying to break free of your past and all, but having a little integrity isnt a bad thing.

Not to mention if things are as you say, then let her relationship run its course... there are TONS of hot girls out there... and TONS that are actually single... I dont buy the "all Hot girls have boyfriends"... no all hot girls just have options.
I mean single hot girls all the time.
I would rather retain my honor, and befriend those that are in relationships as friends... who knows where it might go in the future.

Lucky

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Why the hell not?!

Gotta agree with Prulee here. Sounds like oneitis. Go get those college sluts!!

If she cheats, not trustworthy at all. But that's not part of the equation. Second, if there's a fear of getting shot down, you're setting yourself up for failure. High pressure sarges have a higher fail rate - not sure whether it's because only the inexperienced guys put pressure on a single approach, so cause and effect isn't clear... But I'm getting tangential. This is mainly a numbers game, so whatever happens, there's always a chance of things going wrong. You gotta come to terms with that before you go any further.

Girl's into you but has boyfriend, OK, never heard that one before. I assume she isn't just sending those IOIs at everything with half a cock and one ball, that pretty much nullifies them (some girls are flirty that way).

First things first: logistics. If you're planning to fuck this girl, don't forget the basics. Where is this gonna happen, have condoms and drinks ready, massage oil, music is always a bonus, set everything up. This is basic, but I've screwed up lays for far dumber reasons than those. Have a contingent plan.

2 angles to consider - I don't have enough info about the girl, you'll have to go with your instincts.

a) baby steps. Hang out with her, slowly escalate, hit on her, have her over for a movie. Make sure you handle objections properly; your discretion in here is key.

[You] Hey, come over. I'm watching that Rolling Stones documentary I was telling you about.
[Her] I'd love to, but I'm seeing my boyfriend tonight.
[You] So make something up. I won't tell him if you don't, I'll have you returned by 10pm. Don't make me feel guilty about not handling your cultural ignorance...

Or anything along those lines. Important thing is to communicate discretion ('I wont tell him if you dont') and get her somewhere she feels safe - in this example, your place. Handle objections properly - if you play it like everything is her idea, she'll internalize this eventually.

[HB] We shouldn't be doing this...
[You] You're right, we shouldn't... weird though.
[HB] What?
[You] Well, you coulda been with him tonight, instead you're here. That shit tells me something.

And so on.

b) if she's bored with the boyfriend, contrast him with yourself. He's boring and goes to bed at 9pm - break into a public park with her and wait for the sun to rise. Sooner or later, that little bit of exciting romance will work the magic for you. This takes a little innovation, but if you get her to do something that seems crazy compared to what she does with the boyfriend, convincing her she has a 'bad' and 'wild' side won't be too much of a stretch. Let her get caught in the moment, pick your time and close.

Focus is on easing her into the idea of cheating as opposed to jumping right at it and letting her get freaked out. Just like with kino, you break going from zero to makeout into baby steps so that none of the consecutive steps seems like a big deal compared to the previous one.

Sidenote: girls dont use boring guys for sex. It's unlikely that a clingy wuss would truly rock her world in bed; there again, if she's inexperienced, she may not fully grasp how much better it can get. Point is: stability is a safer bet.

Keep on rockin' in the free world. For a pretty inexperienced guy, you are one little Satan in the making - I like that.

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On we plough.

Love,

Ace

yeah, I guess it's not worth the risk.

Thanks for the advice guys, I kind of assumed you would all be more selfish than you are and would give me the go ahead.

I guess I should listened to my conscience instead of thinking I was stupid for feeling bad about doing this.

Sounds to me like you're seeking approval from other men around you and have that "I gotta get laid by any means necessary!" mentality...which does exactly the opposite when it comes to attracting women..

don't act so desperate that you're focused on one girl. The idea is to let them know that you have value and that you can have a relationship with any girl in the room. It's their job to qualify themselves to you

that doesn't mean give up on this girl...

but stealing her from someone else is making someone else miserable for your own happiness.

I don't know wtf pickup videos YOU'VE been watching but I know David DeAngelo does NOT encourage that type of behavior. I know Mystery does NOT encourage that type of behavior. Style, I'm not sure of since I've never studied style or the game since the game is the most overused and overworked material in the PUA circuit


Tyler Durden moreso than the above mentioned but even he understands that being up pick up artist is not about getting LAID. Being a pick up artist is about having MILLIONS of women to choose from and finding the one that stands out to YOU to have a relationship with

yeah most of these guys know what they are saying
in my experience about 85% of the girls ive been with had boyfriends at the time
but 90% of those girls i didnt know til after
and its turned out bad most of the time
ive never had buyers remorse but i have had girls leave their boyfriends and want to be with me, which is not what i wanted
and like you may be done with strong morals and stuff but as a pick up artist (or soon to be) you need to be smart
"with great power comes great responsibility"
nonetheless me and most of the girls are still friends and great pivots might i add lol
you need to just talk to her maybe about how she feels about her boyfriend cuz what someone said earlier about girl's first fucks mean a lot to them so they kinda stick on it
so you may need to wait it out but dont fall in the LJBF zone

happy gaming,
Hollywood

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