In my opinion, The only products anyone needs is.

*The Blue Print Decoded - Tyler Durden (Real Social Dynamics)

*Flawless Natural - Tim (Real Social Dynamics)

*The Secrets of Female Sexuality - David Shade (Masterful Lover)

*How to Give Women Wild Screaming Orgasms - David Shade (Masterful Lover)

Forget about anything else.

David DeAngelo
Mystery
Niel Strauss
Ross Jefferies
Etc Etc

It's "WHO YOU ARE" not "Who you need to be".

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If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you think you'll lose, you've lost.
--It's all in the STATE OF MIND--

MM works for me, its made me a better person and got me layed...so stuff you! don't diss! (being sarcastic btw if your too dumb to tell )

-teen

Each to their own I guess and if it works for you heh, However not long ago I would have recommend and stuck by Mystery but after seeing a new light, I'm off in another direction.

He has been overtaken and a lot of the stuff he did was very analytical, which some guys love. Mystery is primarily charismatic and women dig this but I would like to point out mystery's lack of natural game and with this he has a false core persona. The Model only works for him 91.00% of the time is because it comes from him

"Though it has its merits, it is inherently questioned because Mystery Method presupposes that the woman is more important, has higher value, and requires more than she really does to sleep with a man. Therefore, Mystery Method is theoretically sound, provided a person's inner game is already equipped with a powerful belief system.

Advocates of a more natural style of game believe that it is much more powerful to assume attraction and interact with a woman as if you already have higher value than her. This will cause your behaviors and actions to automatically have the correct sub-communications, and has a much different vibe than a man who is trying to "catch up" to a woman's value."

One of the irritating things about mystery is he teaches to keep reconsidering the M3 model while in field. This is HUGELY wrong. If you are trying to analyse what you are doing in field, you are not in a state of 'natural flow'. Your inside your head. Most of the people are in an altered state while talking to women.

Its easy to get wrapped up in the M3 Model, but studying isn't what pickup is about. Pickup is fun. I just don't agree with guys that spend hours studying and mere minutes in comparison to socialising. Get out there and Enjoy yourself.

_________________
If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you think you'll lose, you've lost.
--It's all in the STATE OF MIND--

I've read some MM, but never dedicated much time to it. My real, let's call it 'mentor' is definitely David De Angelo. Reading his stuff i learned lots of things, from which i developed my game, and now all i know i have to thank him for that. His material his pure gold!

I read one book and i keep receiving his free newsletter with success stories and free advice on some subjects, to keep my memory fresh and that's enough..

Don't waste too much time reading and reading, because before you start to put it into practice, you won't experience the real world and how it works..

Just start to go out and try the things you are learning..

Ever read "The Attraction Code" by Vin Dicarlo? if you liked the books you suggested you will love it.

Not yet Madals.

I've heard alot of good things about Vin Dicarlo but I've not gotten into any of his matterial yet. Is it as good as it's cracked up to be? If the book as good as you say I guess I'll give him a storm.

_________________
If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you think you'll lose, you've lost.
--It's all in the STATE OF MIND--

probably the best PUA book I have ever read.

which of those books don't have NLP in them coz i really don't want to get into that...its creepy, weird and i don't like the thought of being able to control people into seduction

-teen

None, Based on Natural Game matey!

_________________
If you think you are beaten, you are.
If you think you dare not, you don't.
If you think you'll lose, you've lost.
--It's all in the STATE OF MIND--

News flash, its not creepy or wierd and you cant control people with it any more than anything else.
Can i suggest before you make assumptions about this sort of thing you actually read about it and what it is. Did you know for example people naturally use NLP, some more than others. Did you know most world leaders use it in their speeches?
Even your parents probably used it.... if you were being naughty, did they say something like: "you have till 3. 1...... 2......" why do kids always stop at 2? because they know that as the anchor that after that if they continue what they are doing something they don't like will happen.

NLP is creepy because of who touts it. The same freaks that also tell you that wearing makeup and a furry hat will get you middle-aged single mothers.

All the books that are listed only make guys feel like shit. You are not the problem. The problem is how society has shitted on you since birth. That is why you have no confidence. That is why you will follow the same steps as your miserable parents and teachers have. Young children attract people for a reason. They are pure and innocent. Society hasn't made them feel guilty and in fear of living life. I suggest that we all go backwards and become more like young children in our outlook towards life.

expat, the furry hat guy is mystery. Mystery doesn't teach NLP.

To any AFCs and aspiring PUAs out there, please don't BUY any of those books. Certainly they have a lot of useful information, but that information is available for free.

As for the comments above:

teen, NLP is not as bad as you think BUT if you don't feel comfortable with it do not do it. We aren't here to abandon our beliefs. Pickup is not a new religion. I have read only a little bit of NLP and can see how it works, but I have never used it with a woman and I do fine.

Madals, Mystery may be good at pickup, but as we all read in the game, he is mentally unstable.

people put to much importance on what to do and how to do it, but forget the process.

It comes down to one thing, confidence, period.

All the methods teach is a system to build confidence and the reason that many people dont get the results they want is because they lack the confidence to continue, to grow and learn.

Bottom line, all the techniques in the world dont do jack if you dont have the confidence to back them or even use them.

If i had to recommend anything out there, hands down i would go with Hypnotica. His products develop you into a person of unmatched confidence. Not only with women, but with life.

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"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to be continually fearing you will make one."

As I always like to say 'each to there own'.

Everyone is going to have an opnion on whats the best. But in the end it is only their opinion. Me personally I don't like routines. I think it is kinda manipulative. But thats just me, some people have no problem using them.

I prefer to be myself. I have done alot of work on my inner game and now have alot more confidence which has made all the difference. I have also discovered that its alot less about what you say and more about how you say it.

If you make things fun and interesting you could talk about pretty much anything and still cause attraction in a girl.

Lets not bicker about whats best, because it is impossible. Everyone is different. Lets just enjoy the challenge of meeting hot women. Surely thats what it is all about