I have a request on where i should take this. people have told me that she flirts with me over on texts and during class. theres just one problem, shes married. shes also 19 y/o ive known her for about 3 mon. she has also never mentioned it to me or even made it seem like she has a bf or much less MARRIED.that makes me think she may be un happy or looking for fun? now i know pua's dont specialize in this kinda thing, but I only have 2 more classes with her and it seems I could atleast hang with her. so what do you guys suggest i do, ive negged her and dhv all semester long and we have good rapport. I Know i can get rejected but thats all part of the game right? lol thanks dudes

before i go answering the question... i just want to take a moment and stop and consider this for a minute...
Yeah thats a pretty big F-ing problem.
White... she is married... young yes and MARRIED...

do you really want to be THAT guy?

I mean really... is she cute.. yeah probably,
is she hot, yeah probably
would she be fun, MAYBE
when the husband finds out what do you think is gonna happen?

or better yet... what happens when you get a girl? put yourself in his shoes for a sec.

I could go on and on and on... but then I would start getting into my own personal life and projecting... so Ill just leave it there... you know where im going with that.

there are other chicks out there TRUST me.

Consider yourself warned
NOW that being said,
lets break down the post

does she wear a wedding ring?.. usually thats all that needs to be said...
perhaps... or maybe she just wants to talk... its hard to tell since you really didnt give us an content of what you *actually* talk about.

but for a moment lets say she is flirting
*sigh* seriously??? be honest... at least give us that credit... you want to bang the hell out of her... you know this, i know this... lets be real... =)

2 more classes doenst really give you a lot of time,
Direct is going to be the way to go, you have already been running game.. and your running out of time... if you want to chance karma be direct as hell... get her out of the class room and kino and esclate like crazy till she says no..
maybe you will get blown out... maybe you wont...rejection is part of the game and sometimes it happens... your increasing your odds by hitting on married chicks though so take that into account

my advice... run the fuck away...the drama alone isnt worth it.

but since you probably wont take that advice, thats the next best thing...

JMT,
Lucky

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I couldn't find any stats on death from approaching a woman.

dude, if a girl is giving signs i would say she has already decided on what she wants to do. when her husband finds out what? that shes hanging w/ a freind? notice I said haning not banging! ofcourse that would be a plus.

does she wear a wedding ring? sumtimes yes sumtimes no from what ive noticed

well we usually talk around in class by notes during the lecture I TEAse her and she responds with emoticons and hahah 100% of the time. ill post them up soon i have to work in 30 min.

I did not choose to hit on her, she's the one to initiate and she keeps it going. thats why i decided to make this topic. if it was me doing all the work i wouldnt do it because she is married but its her, so i just play along.

monday im going to do the auditorium with her for extra cred, she requested for it, not me so any more ideas anyone. direct seems to be the way so far

oh besides your anger thanks for the reply it does have some useful information, i will run just not now lol.

EH,

dont mistake my caution as anger...

if i was angry i wouldnt post...

*yet another example why negging online is a bad idea =) its so hard to get the emotion your actually showing across*

good luck on the extra cred...

lol

Lucky

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150 people are killed every year by Falling Coconuts.... 10 by Shark Attack.

I couldn't find any stats on death from approaching a woman.

I'm messing with a married woman. But she's 39 (Im 38 ), shes an executive professional woman very much in control of where she is at and she knows just what she wants. I have no problems at all with this woman. But I would not touch a 19 yr old married woman with a 10 foot pole.

Run, man. Run.

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um.. ok... I think that's bad advice and that's all I'll say about that.

You are right dude if a woman is showing interest.. she's showing interest. Period. However the only thing that needs to be considered are her motives. If she is looking to cheat on her husband to get back at him in some way and she is using you to do it then you are a tool and jumping through a hoop all on your own. That is part of the game. If it's a hoop, don't jump through it before she jumps through yours. Okay. That beings said. OK so she's married? So what? I hate to be so blunt but all a marriage is is a commitment to be exclusive. If she is hitting on you and initiating the interaction that is an automatic IOI and means she's not looking to be exclusive with so-and-so. People have all these preconceived notions about relationships and place value on words like everything is written in stone. We live in a large fucking universe and it's full of a lot of varying degrees of relationships. Who the hell are we to say "don't go after that one" or "this one." Some of the most passionate and enduring relationships have come about from previous relationships much akin to the exact situation being described thus far. Some people meet this way... I'm not saying you're going to marry her and have kids, but let's get real, a lot of people move from one relationship to the next like eating cereal... it's called serial monogamy: you are exclusive to one person at a time.

Well so what if someone is married? People get divorced to. If you are that interested in her that's for you to decide and figure out if you want to go through that process. However, if you just want to bang her, and she just wants to bang you, which may very well be the case, isn't that between you two to decide? It all depends on the lifestyle that you seek for yourself.. if you want to be the player banging all the chicks, then just fuck her and get it over with.. pretty soon you'll forget about her and she'll always remember that amazing dude she fucked that her husband will never even be half of. The only thing he'll notice is her eyes wandering off at night and he'll probably think she's tired but she'll really just be thinking about you.. if you wanna be that guy.. you gotta see yourself as that guy.. we get around and yes, sometimes they already have a guy at their bedside.. as a matter of fact that's what makes them more likely to be promiscuous, they need some action from that boring shit. My advice to you just like the rest of the guys on this forum:

FUCK HER.

Problem solved.

My two cents...

1) Keep her as a friend and use her to help you get other girls. Even if she
doesn't know it. Just being seen with her is a DHV for you.
2) Don't invade on a marriage IMO but you are your own man.
3) She probably didn't tell you she was married because if she did you might not
act the same around her. She enjoys the little bantar you guys have going on. Its okay to flirt.

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"Rome wasn't built in a day....and neither was your game!"

RESPECT THE COMMITMENT TO EACH OTHER THEY HAVE MADE. HE PUT A RING ON HER HAND, SHE ACCEPTED IT!

I don't care if she's showing signs or not. Live your lives with some sort of integrity there are more women in the world. Respect yourself. It is never worth it for me to compromise my integrity for some woman.

PEACE,

Jon

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Been around the world twice, Talked to everyone once...

I slept with a 34 yrs old married woman and I must admit that I felt bad afterwards. Definitely not something I would try again, I felt like an ass. But sleeping with a YOUNG married woman, now that's something I wouldn't do, ever.

I mean, the older wife might have had a really bad husband who doesn't give a shit anymore, who knows. But that young woman? I mean come on, she just got married. And at 19? Dude, she's fucked in her head. Keep away from that.

But if you really do want to risk it, I guess the best advice would be for you to be direct. If she's giving signs while being married, then she probably knows what she wants. You in her bed.

Then again dude, she's young and married, maybe she likes to piss guys off by giving them false hopes.

"RESPECT THE COMMITMENT TO EACH OTHER THEY HAVE MADE. HE PUT A RING ON HER HAND, SHE ACCEPTED IT!"

Look... I dont mean to sound like an absolute asshole but nature is nature and among all the creatures of the earth humans are the only ones that need "word bonds." I almost got married. I thought it was what I wanted.. at the time at least. But I have to be honest, just because people get married still at this point in our history doesn't mean they always will forever. I actually do believe that humans are going to evolve to the point of communal rearing. That is to say our children will be raised by the community and not strictly the parents. Our culture is rapidly changing by the week these days and the future is going to be MUCH different. When we realize we're just a species trying to survive the dangerous journey around a burning ball of gas each year we'll probably begin to appreciate our relationships to each other a lot more. We'll stop seeing people from other cultures and races as "different" from a foreign "family"... and once we identify all of humanity as a single "family" (which I expect to happen within the next hundred years within my lifetime) marriage will take on new meaning. Mating patterns has to do with replicating our genes.. we choose mates based on attraction and seduction ratings.

Over 50% of Californians divorce themselves. Why? When does it happen? Usually about once the kid is about 4 or 5 years old. Why? Because by that point she can raise the kid on her own, she knows it and he knows it... the attraction is gone.. she fucked the guy because he was the one there at the time and she's a female and she has needs: fuck and get pregnant. Now whether or not she was actually trying to get pregnant, some chicks just need that, just like us guys need to fuck. It doesn't mean she is with the love of her life. It doesn't mean she is happy. And it certainly doesn't mean she is not interested in seeking other relationsihps with men. I cannot believe the naivity I see on these forums, not just on this issue but all others... Guys, listen, if a woman has any man in her life... it is just a BOYFRIEND she has filling the slot to keep other guys at bay. If she is happily married she WILL NOT show interest in you.

It's not about ruining a commitment or a marriage or the sanctity of this or that. It's about interest and relationships. If she's just a flirt, ok, have some fun flirting and move on. But if she is pushing to really get to know you yet she's married you have to decide if you want to risk dealing with her AMOG. That's all it means. If it's your best friend... are you going to hurt him like that? If you value him more than her, again, that's a personal decision and for you to decide. If you respect the guy more than her, then great you can tell her you don't appreciate her advances. If the guy is a total asshole, beats her, and obviously does not care for her... she might be asking for help. These are all delicate situations.. but just because a woman is "married" DOES NOT mean you shut your game off. The game is always being played at all places at all times. That would be akin to thinking every girl with a boyfriend is not to be gamed. This is a mistake. A lot of times women get married because "everybody else is doing it." You'd be surprised how many people are so unhappily married and dont like at all what they've got themselves into.

I shouldn't forget to mention. The game is fucking dangerous. You can get killed. I have ended relationships before because I didn't want to deal with a psycho AMOG. Learn to identify the situation and act appropriately. I don't claim to truly know what "love" is or whatever... but if I felt compelled to pursue a married woman because she was that special to me I wouldn't give a damn who she was married to if I felt it should be me. That's when you bring out the big guns... It all depends on her value to you.. all these guys telling you not to pursue her are assuming way too much on your situation and judging judging judging. Good luck with her and I hope you figure out what is best for the situation.

woah ok first off i gotta thank all you guys for the responses. specially EYECRUSH, you really took your time to respond dude , appreciate that!

anyways look my personal view and from almost any guy I know they would not stop even if a girl is married. I know the guy next to you wont stop either and what if it happens to you? (in general) your gonna be the most bitter person on the planet because you are so respectful of other guys yet they themselves show none for you and take your girl...

thats the way i see it, its not in me to hit on married women USUALLY unless they give IOI'sss lol

to fealinlucky my bad i thought you were angry good point though! extra cred never seemed so wonderful

I like to think of it as helping a woman. im 22 shes 19 its not that big of a deal to me. if she is having a hard time in her relationship I might be giving her some relief from that. she is cute though!

I have been married before, so has FealinLucky. We have been on both sides of the spectrum mate and I can tell you how it feels in either case. Am I judging you? You are damn right I am. This is a public forum, if you don't want to be judged then you shouldn't be posting here.

EyeCrush you have some mixed up views on things in my opinion but that is your right.

I think we all wish Whitemogs the best in this endeavor. Either way you decide to go Whitemogs is completely your decision. All we can do is help you weigh out the decisions you are about to make, and warn you of the problems they can lead to. But it sounds like you have made a decision.

Good luck to you sir.

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Before anyone like eyecrush jumps down my throat, I'm going to say that this is just my opinion and I'm not trying to force it on anyone.

I wouldn't mess with a married woman. A core value of PUA is to leave a person better than when you found them. I do not think that having sex with a married woman, the stress that it puts her through, wondering if the husband will find out, the probable divorce, the cost of the divorce, etc is leaving her better, it's only causing stress.

Listen, we live in a fast food world. People only see what's in front of their eyes. You need to look at the big picture and figure out if what you want to do it really in your best interest and hers. Your actions affect other people, even more than the ones directly involved.

Morals and ethics. They are two personal, independent beliefs. You are the only one that has to live with the consequences of your actions, in your own head. Just as the theory that it's not your job to monitor other peoples' relationships, it's their own - it's your responsibility to monitor your actions, you are the only person that has to live inside of your own head.

Honestly, if you really thought that this is something that you should be doing, if you thought that it was right, you probably wouldn't be asking us for our opinions.

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"woah ok first off i gotta thank all you guys for the responses. specially EYECRUSH, you really took your time to respond dude , appreciate that!"

No problem man. That's what I'm here for.

"EyeCrush you have some mixed up views on things in my opinion "

Care to elaborate?

I don't think I'm mixed up about anything. I run on consistency. Effeciency is everything. What is one-itis? That's a topic all by itself and I don't mean to hijack this thread so I won't. To be short: deep down inside most people feel they have a "soulmate" a spiritual "twin" if-you-will... What's to say this doesn't exist? We are all mortal. That's rule number one. Because of this we all know that in reality all of our carnal relationships are in fact TEMPORARY. If you believe in reincarnation, and I do, then hey man if you find the same person in the next life great.. but what if it doesn't work that way at all. What if it's something you get closer and closer to as your soul evolves (if you believe in that kind of thing)? Entropy, moving from a simple set to a more complicated one... These are concepts of growth. It could be we are evolving toward a kind of unifying perfection. If that's the case, then we have to make all these material mistakes anyway to figure out how to get everything else right... look I have to go give a lesson I don't have much time right now.. but this got me thinking about a lot of things. If you think I'm being inconsistent. Try me. I'm not shoving anything down anybody's throat, just voicing my perspective and I'm glad I could help somebody.