Hey guys how are you doing?

Basically I am having a personal dilemma I was hoping some of you would know how to solve.

My personal dilemma is that I have cracked the game, close alot of the time, but simply can not close this girl.

Now, this girl is not "the one", far from it, and I do NOT have one-itis (such a silly expression by the way) she is simply a girl that I have to nail (sorry if thats too blunt for some of you). She is a girl I have wanted to "F-close" ever since I started learning this whooole game, and if I can achieve this, it will prove to me that learning the sexual tension and escalation involved in the game has been worthwhile and I have hopefully mastered it. I had not seen her in a while until recently, which made me realise just how much I want her.

Now, I have come to adopt the "be the prize" mentality, remaining uneffected and using cocky and funny humor (no routines or set openers though) however, I would DEFINATELY be lieing if I said that has worked on this girl, it simply hasnt.. she is extremely sexual, very confident and socially switched on and saw right through me when I used it.

The really negative part of "the game" as a whole is that although it has tought me alot about the way attraction works, its made me overcomplicate things...
she used to be very interested in me, even telling me I was hot on a number of occasions (which I was very naive and stupid in not using it to my advantage). However, this was 2 years ago... since then I have taken on board so much of the information on this site as well as others, and I come across to her as hard to talk to because I tend to neg a little bit harshly and because I have found them so effective in the past, I can't remember the last time I complimented a girl.. its THAT bad. When I'm in a confident state of mind, my negs don't come over too harshly but when I am trying too hard I accidently turn the girl off by making myself seem akward and hard to talk to, but the problem is, I simply refuse to be a "friend" to the girl, yet I have problems finding the middle ground between over negging and over complimenting.

She moved back to my town recently and I have seen her out a couple of times, and she works as a club rep and behind the bar in there as well, so she's constantly approached.

I can not for the life of me figure out how to attract her to me.. and although I realise it's hard to imagine exactly what to do as you cannot plan for every outcome, some advice from experienced PUA's here about maybe how they got a girl that didn't latch on to their negs or routines but they still wanted to attract would be great.


SORRY about the amount of text! Cheers from England.

While what I am about to say is unorthodox in the PUA community, I will share something that worked for me when I was in a similar situation.

I thought I was the shit, and I was seducing girls left and right using my C+F routines, being alpha, clever, push pull, all that. Then I met a girl, who we will call Sarah.

Now, Sarah was like an hb8 or 9 on a good day, nothing I couldnt handle right? Wrong. None of my techniques were working, and I didn't know why. I tried everything from cocky funny to projecting roleplays and future living arrangements. I honestly started getting depressed I couldn't attract her. It was eating at me, like what the fuck I am the fucking man why doesn't she see this. It wasn't breakfast but I wanted to tell her to "Leggo my Ego"

And then the straw that broke the cammels back and told me I had to think of something else was when she said something I didn't like and I responded with "Haha, we are so divorced, you can have the house and the car but I want the goldfish" When I said that she was basically like ok, good, fuck off.

BAM. What the hell did I do wrong? I pondered over it for a few days of not talking to her, I grew this sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach, and then I finally texted her "Movies at 8 on friday, ok" and she responded back "ok, what movie"

I had one last chance, I tried all the tricks in the book and none of them worked, so I was going to try something counter intuitive to what I have been learning. I was going to go AFC on her. I figured, I had nothing to loose right? If I came off "looking" afc then oh well, I had already lost her anyway so it's no big deal. But if this worked, then I'm golden.

We got to the movies, I opened the door for her, and while I didnt buy her ticket, I did buy her popcorn, no drink. I figured I had to keep some balance, some sort of PUA-afc-ish middleground. I told her how nice she looked, and that I had missed her and when the movie started she rested her head on my shoulder. Had it worked? Did my pseudo afc ways win her over? And the answer was no. BUT what it did do was allow me to completely start over and learn more about her.

THEN and only THEN after that night did all my techniques work. Yes that's right, after that night I went right back to gaming her normally, but much more calibrated because I knew more about her and why she was the way she was. And yea, I banged her like donkey kongo.


So my tip to you is, lay off all the tricks and games for a bit, try acting completely different around her then you have been. It will strike her interest, she will wonder why you have been acting different, then when her gaurd is down, strike like a cobra.

Beautiful. Cheers mate.

Yea, no problem man it was a weird situation and I know how it can fuck you with your head if you let it get to you, but if you are able to conquer it you will feel like king.

Carisma in a sense is right, when one thing doesn't work, try another... I'm not quite certain how what he said was "contraversial"

however your mentality, charisma, is fucking awful, you "banged her like doney kongo" Are you fucking twelve?!?!?

And your not a snake, drop the predatory mindset, you'll get far further with women that way, and it's just flat out healthier.

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Lmao slow down there partner, you know little to nothing about me, I'm a comedian bud, I say this stuff in jest, though all these stories are true. You should lighten up, you'll get far further with women that way, and it's just flat out healthier ^_-

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Carisma I'd ignore him tbh, hes from Scotland and in Scotland they dont have free education or healthcare or a government or anything so their pretty much savages, have you seen braveheart? It's kind of like that all the time up there with no exceptions, infact Scotland was once a free area but now us Brits have fenced them in for their own good.

All jokes aside though 'Fin', why shouldn't he say "banged her like doney kongo" or whatever it was? Life too short to worry about what other people think especially on a forum like this, let him be and stop trying to influence his opinions and actions.

Carisma that makes two of us

Unfortunatly C what you may see is that that mentality is seriously held, and it is detrinmental as well as in my eye's being flat out disgusting.

As for KorruptX

Well firstly yes, I am a savage, I come from inverness which is 4 hours north of glasgow, which is 3 hours north of civilization. Scotland in fact is so fucked up that when the romans came after conquering 3/4's of the known world, their massive world conquering army took one look at us and went.


FUCK! THAT!

They then proceeded to wall off scotland from everyone else.

Anyway on topic... why do I care, becuase I recognise that people affect others, and I'm not so stuck my own ass so that I only care about myself and those in my own vicinity. I correct shittyness becuase I care, becuase that mentality, which thankfully turns out was a parody, has been very damaging to society, to women and men who hold it.

They generally end up being 30 something and haven't grown a day past watching "NEXT" and thinking that it is an accurate depiction of adult relationships.

Tell you what, this is subject which I feel strongly about, it's a subject that I know affects people, relationships are majorly important, not ust to people's social developement, but for emotional developement. One bad relationship can leave a girl/guy struggling with themselves for years.

On that note, when you see something wrong; feel free to stand by, but I'm gonna stand up.

See, this is what's great about communication, because now we both know each other a little better and can actually benefit from each other. Good stuff Fin, and yea I have noticed that before.