Ok, very long story coming up here.


Basically I picked up this HB 8 on campus about two weeks ago, she was surprisingly a virgin and it was easier than I thought (which is good). Anyways, as you would expect from college students, she got extremely drunk and ended up in my bedroom. However, I didn't feel right about having sex with someone so drunk when I was sober, so I told her "maybe another time" and went to grab my coat to walk her home, but when I turned around she had already stormed out of the house.

Her friends were quite angry with me the next day so I assume she felt like I rejected her. But before I could make amends, she hooked up with my friend, we'll call him "Joe". It seriously happened within 24 hours which confused me. If Joe was savvy with women I would have assumed it was because he had good game, but he is quite the opposite. He's one of those excessively nice guys who bends over backwards to do favors for his friends and is very wussy around women (random compliments, leaning in, hovering, etc) and has been single for two years.

Now I know from experience that this behavior does not attract women, and most certainly within such a short time period, so I immediately assumed she did it to make me jealous. It didn't work, however, I knew what she was up to and continued my life as normal. Whenever we crossed paths with her new boy toy I teased and negged her and continued my day to day activities.

However, it soon became apparent that she wasn't into Joe at all, confirming my suspicions. She began showing up in my life more often than ever and giving me serious IOIs, ignoring Joe completely. The only times I noticed she gave him any attention was when she walked home with him (probably for some easy sex), other than that, it was all about me. As days wore on she started showing up at my house without him, more IOIs and flirting. Normally I would snatch up this opportunity immediately, I mean, she's cute, she's interested... right? But Joe is one of my better friends, and I couldn't do that to him. I pushed her away some more, but she came back more determined than ever each day.

Anyways, my circle of friends, myself included went to a concert at a lounge one night, and Joe brought his girl along. I ignored her but in my peripheral vision I could see she kept looking at me. I got a text from across my table from a friend, saying tonight she planned to break up with him. I texted some of her closer friends who confirmed this.

I saw this coming, it wasn't a big deal. But then Joe announced that he was canceling his spot in the U of A and getting an apartment and car so he could stay in town. He's a poor college student and can't afford any of this shit. He'd be ruining his life for good and for what? A girl that obviously doesn't care about him. I took him aside and asked why he was doing this, he confirmed it was to stay with the girl.

I was going to avoid this god forsaken "relationship" as much as possible but when a friend's future is on the line, that is reason enough to get involved. I told him I was positive that she was going to dump him and that he shouldn't cancel all his future plans for a good career over her. He surprisingly believed me. I left the bar early as the band sucked and I was very upset over what was going on. I couldn't even stand to be in the room with those two any more.

Next day he came over and tells me he confronted her about it. Of course she denied it, going as far as to blame the whole idea on her friends. He believed every word, so he thinks I lied to him and now my friendship is in jeopardy. I am absolutely exasperated. He's going to ruin his life over her and she's using him for sex until she can get someone better! Hell, last weekend she asked if she could suck my cock (he wasn't present) and I turned her down AGAIN.

So I have to do something to fix everything fast or his life is FUCKED.


I have three ideas, ranging in effectiveness from greatest to least.

1) Get her to cheat on him with me, completely destroying any hopes of patching up my friendship with him. He would most certainly leave town and go to U of A if this happened.

2) Find another PUA to steal her from him, he would again, move on with his life.

3) Get his other friends to convince him this girl is bad news.


HELP. First post but I lurked here a while so I sort of know how this place works. Still, constructive criticism would be appreciated.

wow that is a tough one!! I'd defo rule out the first option, that would end in an absolute mess if you decided to get with her for his sake, theres now way thats going the right way!

Kinda hard to say what i'd do in that situation, its easy to say to just explain it all to him and hope he believes you and understands but love is blind and chances are hes gonna believe her over anyone. Maybe you shouldnt of told him she was about to break up with him because she may of changed her mind now that everyone knows she was going to do it.

i think the only option you do have really is to talk to him seriously and tell him whats up. Getting your wording right is the key here, you need to make it clear that you are not just trying to get him out of the picture so you can get with her because he could easily see it that way. Do everything you can and if it all fails then he fucks up and learns a very hard lesson, but at least you can say you tried.

yeah even though option one could involve me getting laid I fucking HATE this chick, and it would also result in the loss of my friendship with "joe".

It doesn't have to go that far though, it could be an incriminating text message or picture or something... I deleted her other texts out of guilt but in retrospect I should have saved them for such an occasion.

option two is highly improbable because this guy is so defensive no other guys (other than me and a couple others) can even talk to her without him bitching them out.

Another idea even more improbable would be to introduce him to a better woman... but she'd never hook up with him as he has absolutely no skill with women whatsoever and he'd never give up on this girl.

I've already tried talking to him, he only believes the girl, no one else, no matter how farfetched her story is. No one else I know has the balls to say anything they merely complain behind his back...

I know this isn't really a PUA question I'm asking here, it's more of a "what would a PUA do" and I'm sorry for that, but I can't just let him throw away his life like this. I don't care what the cost I've already lost so much ground with him already...

man that's tough! .. i was going to say that if you could've saved those text messages.. would've been easier.. but i guess you just have to catch the girl red handed..

this is going to be hard.. and very tricky.. if there's no other way that you could convince your friend.. if the girl still calls you or talk to you.. it will be better if you have your friend on the phone at the same time.. three way call maybe? girl did this to me before when i was young... had me talkin to my ex which was her friend.. talking bout getting back together while my gf at the time was on the other line.. and let me tell you.. i failed miserably...

or the other option is when that girl comes over unexpected.. let your friend know to come over as well.. the point is.. just try to get her red handed... this is very tricky.. and you need to be very careful not letting the girl switch this to you..