This is in the same vein as what is an alpha, just kinda a place to discuss it and say what you think it is.

Ok, I gotta start by admitting I hate the word but it is neccesary as I believe it covers so many different things. However, it is rapidly becoming a tastey buzz word for pua marketing and I am convinced there is a lot of confusion over what it is (hell I struggle to define it). This said heres my 2 cents.

Also I gotta apologize this was a thought process rather than a layout.

Low perceived value is a symptom of weak inner game IMO. I think this is something that can often be ironed out and will be fixed as you begin to fix your entire life (style, social skills, job, house etc).



Conveying higher value
-Good body language (not slouching)

-Clothing and style (cheap clothes cheap person)

-This is one I expect to get shit for but never tell DHV stories, it is probably a personal thing (lookup my posts when I became more sucessful in life ... "they only want my money booo hooo hooo") however I still live by a rich/cool person doesn't say they are cool they just are.
Unhelpful to newbies I know but I just think if you are truely high value then it will come out naturally in conversation. Also I appreciate the fake it till you make it idea but for the guys that have been in teh community for a while I think many of the skills you have learnt will have began to spread to other areas of your life (job etc) making you more successful.

Being Higer value
-Qualities/characteristics of an alpha ( you don't have to be one but a byproduct of these will have raised your value eg generosity and humour widening your social circle and how people view you)

-Get a good job or atleast get a job you enjoy/are passionate about. (On a basic level women will question why you are in the job you hate or is crap. Lack of ambition much?)

-Take pride in your appearance (always). I am guilty of not doing this I admit that but I am working on it. Anyways it gives of a better vibe and makes you just feel better and capable of anything. It will take time but gets easier and will act alongside body language as a visual DHV (slouching trackie guy vs confident shirt guy???)

-Finally, probably the most abstract thought I had on raising value. Throw your full self into everything. If you put in half assed effort you will get half assed results. This goes for work, sarging, friendships, cooking, everything.

All these thigns together will make you successful and DHV. To the point where eventually you won't have to fake it you will be higher value than most.



So what do you guys think value is?


ps awful spelling I know but I don't have my sweet sweet mac with its dictionary checking everything.[/list]

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Firstly can you clear up if we are talking about real value or perceived value?
There are key differences in my opinion.
Value is, in simple terms, how humans "rate" each other and how much value is put on a single trait is very much a perception. Some people argue that its to do with supply and demand and to some extent it may be how people perceive it. People will naturally value traits that they don't see often but lots of people want.
I'll let you reply to this while I email someone in Living Attractions, I believe we have something pretty awesome on the types of value and if your interested pm me your email address and i'll send you a copy
Madals

how about this: we are all of equal value

I'm not higher than you, you're not higher than me, we are equal. once you realize this and acknowledge it as fact, you will enjoy life a lot more. people that learn this seduction stuff tend to get into constant struggles for social supremacy and shit. that is so counterproductive and useless. like the whole alpha/frame control thing: to me, alpha isn't a nigga who is rude and blows other people out. that sort of behaviour is not confident in my eyes; in fact, it's very insecure. a truly self-assured nigga would bring people into _his_ reality, not ridicule or ignore them so that he would be perceived as having "higher value". another one is lying. but I'm a lazy motherfucker and at the moment, I don't feel like getting into that bundle of heigh, as it were.

nah mean?
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Snatcher,
If that's your idea of what an alpha male is then with respect you don't actually know what people are suggesting.
I think the idea that all people are equal is utopian and not plausible in the real world. Actually, there is some basis to it. Everyone may be equal over all but some people are better at some things. PUA's learn to be good in social situations and how you feel about a social hierarchy its still going to exist - only way to change is to be at the top.
Madals

imo i think value can be seen as ones confidence in themself and how one convey's that security and self-value... just my 2 cents

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Just to clarify things, we are talking social value. There are a lot of different values that are not important in this discussion.

Social hierarchy is the shit.

Tyler Durden makes the difference between situational value and core value in the blueprint; why does the bartender/musician get loads of girls at their bar/concert, but none at a house party or club? Becuase they have situational value.

You can try and convey value through DHV stories, magic tricks, good dancing or whatever, but at the end of the day nothing substitutes for CORE VALUE, and that is what will keep your girls after you have closed them (other than skillz in bed).

Best thing about core value is you don't have to do much to obtain it - all you have to do is allow yourself permission to BELIEVE that you have core value. In a sense core value is self-esteem, and only you can give it to yourself.

People who do not understand core value look to others' responses to them, i.e. reference points, and this determines their value. What they do not realise is that it is a LOOP, and they are stuck in a vicious circle. Whilst others' responses determine their value in their heads, and thus how they act, their value TO OTHERS is determined by how they act, and the value that they have assumed. That's difficult to understand but basically it's a circular argument which basically holds you captive if you look for reference points to determine your value (99.9% of people do this).

I assume core value. It was never hard for me because I have always been fairly outgoing and popular, BUT the skill is in allowing yourself to exude this core value through your high value gaze, body language, tone of voice, laughter, words, demeanour, thought processes, everything. And not only is it obvious to girls but also very attractive.

Take this example. There are three people:

A) The aspiring PUA
B) The AFC
C) Someone with core value.

Now, in each scenario they are on a bus with friends. Their ringtone goes off. It is a Britney Spears song. This is how they and their friends respond:

A) He thinks he has 'DLV'ed' himself; his friends act awkward, maybe tease him a little.

B) Everyone laughs at him, he therefore thinks he is a loser.

C) He laughs, because he thinks it's funny. Some of his friends laugh WITH him. Others don't really care because they don't feel any social need to tease him. He's cool with himself. No need to tease someone who's cool with themselves.

This is why the AFC getting blown out several times in a night will judge that as a result his game is crap and he is worthless. But someone with core value doesn't use others' opinions to judge his own value - thus, he is not phased and catches that fish at the end just before the club closes.