I think about it as passive value. If you look good, you don't have to spit very good game, she'll know your just a guy, but think your cute. (The game teaches how to make everything perfect and sometimes over complicate things, when all you have to do is be a really good conversationalist.) But if you dont look that good, then you have to back it up with very good game to win her over.

My friend who doesn't even know what PUA is, still gets tons of girls, has random girls say hi to him, and does some of the "alpha male" things. He has like that asian/scene kid type of hair that gets a lot of attention. My other friend who also has unique hair has easier time hitting on girls at the mall and the girls dig him. He doesn't even have to ask for their numbers b/c they give it to him.

I never really ever went clubbing, but we like to go to the malls. Most girls I've noticed will like guys with nice long unique hair and nice clothes.

I wonder how the many good-looking guys who are anxious about talking to women because they fear they don't have the game to deal with the social pressure that comes along with being physically attractive would respond to this thread.

By the way, there is no "winning her over." She wants to be seduced. She just wants to know you're a worthwhile investment of time and energy first.

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well, looking unique from everyone else in the environment works. a lot of the girls around the area like scene kid or those long asian crazy hair styles.

and also, bringing your friends homegirls that look decent with you works good too. doesn't make it look like its guys looking for girls. but guys that girls like too so you guys dont look like losers

God yeahh, apparently I am very physically attractive. Obviously that is apparent to me now that I know I can get girls but before I just couldnt deal with anything! I was complete AFC and alpha males ate me alive!

Thank god I changed.

like what i mean is that its easier to open if you know the girl will think your physically attractive.

some girls will act all snobby or not talk much when you open up to them if you don't look hot, but when you open to girls that think your hot, then they'll be nice and talk and be interested...

Good looks will help your opening and not much more than that. She can still think that you are a complete idiot and that kills any kind of attraction you may have intially. As for looks, yes it is a plus but not even close to as important as people believe.

My take on this is that you need to come above a certain level of not being repulsive, like ugly... Most people come up to this level naturally and some need to work on their appearance. Remember that all of us come from a long row of people who have at some point been successful with women. Our parents and grandparents and ancestors have under several thousand years bred to this point... Us!

Honestly, it's about a lot of things.

and it's never just one thing.

Some guru said that looks will only help you the first 30 seconds... and then it's all on your game. I'd say that's a pretty accurate rule of thumb.

...but why in the hell would you whine about it if you don't think you can do anything about it?

its about looks but not necessarily in a genetics type of thing


really, you jsut need to stay clean and have style.

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looks are part of the equation for sure. to say that looks don't matter, is complete bullshit.

But looks are not the only part of the equation.

how else would you explain not-so-goodlooking guys with hot girlfriends?

if you arnt good looking though, you need game

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asian/scene hair gets you jack shit here, everyone has it - I have long hair but i've stepped it up with some hair related accessories.

Hair is a massive part of your look, often guys over-look how important your hair is.

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If you're not good looking, then be well groomed!

That's a good foundation to start with. The idea is, if you're not a natural diamond, be a well polished rock.

Trim or clean your nails! Whitened your teeth (thirty dollars at a local wal-mart guys, it's worth it!). Spend fifteen dollars on a Oxy facial SPAM products. Spend thirty minutes a day doing a cardio physical activity (even if it's walking at a slightly faster-than-normal pace). Breath Mints (an easy fix that people over look). FOR GOD'S SAKE DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR HAIR!

Like a lion's man, a man's hair a VERY prominent in their appearance. It's like a signal beacon to women telling them who you are! Are you boring and unassertive? Or are you wild and exciting? Are you disorganize and sloppy? Or are you active and have your life together?

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good looks definitely higher your value. Let's say you have a group of friends, and if your the better looking one, the one that works out and is pretty good shape then it definitely highers your value thus increasing confidence. It's all about being the leader in your group. So doing things to better yourself is the only way to get there... the social skills will come with it.

looks aint shit

guys who are born with these good looks are horrible at aproaching people and have relationships. in fact they lack so much self game including confidence. theyre so used to girls comin to them.

as for ur friends its almost safe to say tht their hairstyle was peacocking allowing them to atract chix

2 words , well groomed

I don't think thats true... in some cases yes...but I have seen a lot of good looking guys get hot girls, I mean the typical stud type of guy who are good looking..in fact it is those guys who have better game because they have been having to play it their whole life dealing with girls coming to them and what not so and so..