I wish I had your determination

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Yeah good on ya. Bet you made a great first impression on the babe in the lift- next time you see her you can expand it all a bit and take it in the directio nyou want.

anyhow, this Saturday, I will be back at it. I expect to get my fair share of blank looks- stares, rejections, and that look that means not tonight and also of course the babes that totally freeze out on you and don´t even want to talk to you- But also, fingers crossed there will be a babe or two who I will click with and have some fun with. One of my problems is I run out of steam. I get a rejection and it just kicks the shit out of my self esteem + I am a perfectionist which is terrible in this "game" it really feels like a kick in the balls when in reality i know that the girl can´t possible know anything about me. SO, I should just decide to try again and work on my delivery.

My plan in the venue is to wait for a not so well known song to be played, ask a nearby babe "excuse me, I only have a minute but I really like this song,you wouldn´t know the name of the singer?"
they will say whatever.. .then

after which it is "so how do you know each other?"
do you work around here? etc. get them talking a bit.
I find it difficult to neg. I am the original "nice guy" but one of my goals this weekend is to try it out and break the mould a bit. With "your nose wiggles each time you laugh" to start with.
Then I guess the conversation will be more bullshit until I decide to bounce getting of course phone numbers before i eject.
I am new so the idea of hitting on a babe and within the following 30 mins be making out is still not within my realm of possibliites.
But practise makes perfect.

On Sunday will post what happens.

I have an update, you may notice that I hit the malls quite A bit, actually, it's just one of the two we have. I'm not at the stage to hit a club alone just yet, no friends to take. I'm working on day game now, I understand that day and night game is very different. For now, I'm working on day game.

Well, I saw some annihilation clips by Style and I got some ideas...

Approach

1. Open with - Cashmere Sweater, I thought appropriate since I'm at the mall.
2. I have a story I devised and I have cleverly tied it in...I can't go into detail, takes too long. PM me if your interested though, I don't mind sharing.
3. If two or more, best friends test and then into white room(Im not sure the title), if one person, The white room, it's a personality test.
4. Number close

Did it work your thinking....Hell's no....I froze again and the mall was pretty dead at Noon as well, there was exactly 6 sets I could have opened. I was there for about an hour...finally I said F**k it...Saw this 2 set of HB-8's...(high 8's) for that and went in with the cashmere sweater...Damn I was nervous but I did it...I stumbled a bit, I didn't use a time constraint and I saw that in their face, but I went with it and we talked for about 2-3 minutes...doesn't seem long but it was...I did it and it was a rush...

I soon want to try the routine I have setup and see what results I get. I just need to get comfortable with approach!

yeah i was reading this an thought i might aswell just talk to anyone and build my confidence, and after a while i started to enjoy it. now i belive i could talk to any stranger(hopefully a HB) without getting nervous.


Thanks!

The one thing I can`t get over is the difference between my expectations and what actually goes down.
I mean that I can go jogging and do three laps around the park before I pluck up the courage to talk to a HB yet after I have done it and had a bit of chit chat whatever. I completely forget about the AA. Its like, why was I bothering about that. She didn´t bite. You know.
Well done on your approaches, keep it up. It takes a hell of a lot of courage to do it
I too am trying to motivate myself although I know that I most probably will come home in the early hours of Sunday morning with my balls in a sling.

Has anyone considered taking a seminar?

Im thinking about taking one of Brad P's seminars...I have the tools at my disposal, I just need to apply them...AA is killing me...Im just not sure that paying that amount of money to have someone push me is something I can live with.

My regret is that I may become succesfull at it and realize I could have done it on my own...I guess I'll never know...

Im going out again tonite to a mall or some place and approach some more...

The only way to get rid of AA is to get out there and face your fear.
You need to do it enough times to realize that it does not matter!

Hi.
I went out last night to do my sarging.
In the first bar it was quite full anyway, got to the bar and then started looking around. There was a 3 set there. They were dancing and what have you. They were giving me eye contact but I froze.

From now on I am going to just stick to the Venusian arts book cos I think that after reading so much about this whole deal from so many different sources my brain is fried on different ideas and I get there and I just don´t know what the fuck to do-
anyway, I sarged a guy so that I wasn´t alone. although it really doesn´t make much difference being on your own.
anyway went to bar number 2. feeling like a failure for not having said anything to any babe.
in bar 2 it was full to popping. I was sizing the bar up and saw a babe I knew but wasnt´quite sure where. Went over she was into me and we were talking for about an hour bullshitting and what have you. She was giving me major kino and shit and leaning over and her boobs were pressed up hard. But I just didn´t know how to take it the next floor. FUCK!!! I was like sweating to make more and more conversatoin and she was making it too. Her 2 friends were looking over. I wanted to kiss the babe but didn´t want to blow it but neither did I want to get stuck in the friends zone.
She ejected after an hour. This was a warm approach so I hadn´t felt like I had done really any cold approaches yet.
Anyway, bumped into a couple of babes who I had done a cold approach on a couple of weeks previously and we said hi. They were cool with me and friendly. But ´there I was again stuck in the friends zone so I ejected to bar 3.
In bar 3. I did my first cold approach. 2 babes sitting down. I went over and sat down feeling like a geek. They looked at me like I was a fucking lepor or something. anwyay, it was possibly five of the most uncomfortable minutes of my life. I ejected although I learned that I can take advantage as a DHV my being English.(I live in Spain) I hit them with some sentences in English and they didn´t have a fucking clue what I was saying... they laughed a bit.
Last approach, I went to a babe I had seen before whoworks in a coffee shop. She was nice. I went up and did my first couple of lines in English. She asked me to repeat because she didn´t have a clue what I was saying and we had a laugh. I had to eject wishing them a nice evening all very friendly stuff and no problem but I clearly didn´t know how to intensify. She was with four friends. anyhow, I felt quite pleased with myself for going over and talking to a four set.
I learned last night the follwing.
I can use my knowledge of languages. I speak Spanish English pretty much at the same level.(neither perfeclty )
I must not go to a place and just stand there. It is wasting time. I must do many more approaches an hour. I only have two Saturdays a month to play with and if I just stand there for an hour then I might as well be at home watching TV and get the same result...ie. nothing.
Sorry for the long post guys. but now I need to work out how to escalate without sending the babe running... Goal for my next saturday- in two weeks time.. to go from bullshitting friendly chit chat to escalating the deal into something more... and also to do more approaches and refuse to stand around like an AFC.

Keep us posted Mr. E.

I'm still trying to get over my AA, your on the right track.

I will do some more approaches to get over this and then post my results as well.

There's nothing a seminar can teach you about AA, that you can't learn about by doing what your doing. This is just my opinion. Let a seminar be the End Result.

Keep at it man... I think back now, and ask myself HOW THE HELL WAS I EVER THAT NERVOUS? Trust me...I've been with over 35 women and I'm probably 15years you're junior. The only way to get rid of AA (it actually never goes anywhere, you can reduce it though), is by APPROACHING. Period. There is no magic pill or seminar, or catch phrase that can change that. You have to approach.

It kind of reminds me of guys who really want to be good at basketball. You have to practice.

I've been on a high as of late... I go clubbing 4nites a week, with no wing. Just Sunday night, 4 makeouts, numerous number closes, various pictures.

I mean it doesn't even matter anymore. Keep doing this... its a necessity to get good. And I believe I'm damn good.

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cedius you really do seem to have the desire man... just keep at it, imo (not trying to offend anyone who has used or runs a bootcamp) but since u have even taken a few steps i dont think you need a boot camp at all... just keep going out and keep approaching.

heres my story and i love telling it to people, although first time here i think?

my first approach: hi my name is... i have to go bye....

that was my first approach, then after so many approaches i got comfortable,

my first amazing approach: "hey i wanted to come up to ya i've got like 2 seconds to tell ya this before the band starts playing i think your really cute just you need to stop staring at me since i noticed ur having a rum n coke, but i saw u pour coke zero, it'd never work out between us babe sorry"

boom opened perfectly (im 17 and this is at a party at USC, not to be confused with any other USC story i tell this is my first real approach that started my three months of semi successful sarging) and i ended up k-closing her using kino escalators and a neg or two, and this is no joke my first success, and i mean EVERY single one beforehand was crash and burn not even close to a success. For me i literally woke up one day and said, today is the day i'm NOT gonna be that AFC, cause beforehand i woke up everyday and said god i hope im gonna be a PUA only so many more rejections till it happens. trust me man keep at it

hopefully you become one of the greats with that determination you have

good luck man and keep us posted

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I can open now, I just need to start taking it from the opener, building comfort. I know, I just need to get out there. Its common sense if you think about it, it's just we are pre-programmed with this fear of rejection, I need to face it and get out there...I will!

Im shooting for number closes by the end of the month, I have to get some numbers, then I can move up from there.

This is a long post, hopefully it may help some of you starting...

I went to LA this weekend and learned alot about myself, Not sure if this will help any but it's a learning experience for me none-the-less.

I figured I would get out of my town and adopt the "I will never see these people again so whos cares the outcome" attitude. Hmm, Im sure some already have an idea of what the outcome!

I went to Santa Monica "Third Street Promenade" to be exact. Very nice, very busy and many sets to open, local and from out of town.

For a sec, I almost couldn't do it...then I forced myself, I came all this way to flake...I hat spending money on useless things, I couldn't let this a meaningless trip. I asked 55 people the time in about 45 minutes after about 2 hours of procrastination.

Now, I have not had a rude set yet, LOL...Now I have. With a little question like that, you'd be surprised the what outcome you can get...This will help with future sets, I have been expecting a rude chick and I got several with that question.

Out of the 55 sets, 8 people said they didn't have the time, about 5 of them had watches on their wrists, 4 of the 8 were hot babes.

I just laughed it off and kept on going... I hit a streak of 4 in a row within one minute, no one had the time...then I thought, WOW but kept going, that was between my 44-48 attempt in asking. I was done about 5:30, I was happy with my outcome. Now, you may think this is stupid but it's a big sticking point for me and I need to start somewhere.

Second day, Sunday. I wanted to go to another mall but they ended up being closed for Easter. I was planning the sweater opener so back to Santa Monica. I did it there instead.

Within the first 5 min, I asked about 8 people the time, that was easy. More on that in abit. I then tried to go into my opener and again, I began to freeze. I only wanted to open actual people, not workers that are required to be nice. I had an idea, why not start with the opener on workers and move from there...80% of the female workers were HB8 and above... so I did just that...got great results as expected but pushed the convo just abit further... with that, I began to open strangers, some pretty great ones too. I did the opener on about 15 people considering that in my home town, I've only done it 3 times.

Again, for me, It's easy to call it a day, go home and come back later, I live 2 min from our mall. Being 350 miles from home, 45 miles from my hotel and knowing that I paid to go out there for that particular reason, I had to go and do it...I learned alot. Do I recommend it...well that's for you to decide.

I learned that even with a simple question, "What time is it?" can generate un-expected results...I didn't expect that at all.

I noticed that with voice tone, smiling and body language, I got a much different response..try it...stern face with a stiff body, gets 50% success with "What time is it" no matter the person, male or female...I was denied by both.

If I were to ask with a tone of voice that sounded like I was bothering them but not actually apologizing, removing my sunglasses to make eye contact, smiling but body rocking and then thanking them again with a smile...I got such positive feedback, even some 9' smiled back and waited to see if I was going to say something else...minor hook point there...

Regardless of what some may say, It's dumb to go that far out to do this when you can do it locally...TRUE, everyone is entitled their opinion, go ahead and give me feedback...Im open to this. L.A. is one of the top spots with some of the hottest babes their, If I can't do these simple excercises their, then I won't be able to do it at home. Granted we have HB9's and HB10's, but they are soooo abundant in L.A.

I can do this...I know I can.