so I am getting on really well with this girl, we are both sitting on my bed and we are watching tv and we havent spoke cause were watching this programme and I feel like kissing her. I'm pretty sure she likes me and I like her but I am scared of just planting my lips on her suddenly, that it might be too sudden and she will be pissed.

I guess what i'm asking is when do I know when its the right time, what signs do I look out for? when do I know its a good time to kiss her?

I know what it means. I Know hows difficult sometimes just kiss... But you can kiss her if you know whats the right moment.

I like to kiss in the middle of a conversation, you've just found that girl having fun with you, so just stop, look at her. PAUSE. If she keeps looking at you for more than 2 seconds, APPROACH... Then you kissed her.

But its fine if you just stop, just 4 or 5 inches, and look CONFIDENT to her eyes, like "hey girl, you know that I want you, but you must come on too", then she probably will get closer n closer, to kiss you. YOU maked the first 90%, she makes the final 10%.

The advantages of this is clear:
1# If she doesnt want to kiss you, at least you didnt get a true rejection.
2# You make her invest on you, what helps to increase the meta-frame that you're the prize (for more on prizability, frames and meta-frames, reads Swinggcat's book, Real World Seduction, you must do it now).

Finnaly, hugs her... She will love it.

I expect that it works for you dude.

Fu$$Bird

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It's never too late to be who you might have been.
- George Eliot

I'm a push/pull fanatic. I like to look her in the eyes (triangle method), hold one of her hands, lean in really close to the point where it's almost no return for a split second she will either gravitate towards you or hesitate. If she gravitates towards you good job you can either reward her compliance or stop and say something witty like "That was an almost kiss...(pause for effect)...I almost know you enough to kiss you but, not just yet."

If she hesitates then either you can do some cocky, not as funny pull away and say something like "You almost got me to kiss you, you kiss thief. Maybe next time." or if she pulls too far away you could say something like "Hmm...not ready to kiss me yet. That's fine I understand, but next time it's your turn to initiate." Then gambit her a little bit, use a few negs like "Yea you're not exciting enough for me my dear, you don't pique my interests." After a few more minutes she should be ripping your clothes off. I've had a few chicks actually say, "Umm, may I kiss you now?"

Another thing that I've noticed that happens to women, it happens to me too and I assume for most men is the tingling in the jaw telling you that now's the time to kiss.

P.S. One thing to always remember...even if you screw it up, at least you've experienced something that will help you learn for next time. People always seem to forget that the girl you're courting right now isn't the only female on earth.

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One last thing.

Dont you forget the physical escalation, try to touch her face, hold her hands... Before you try to KISS her! Its all about KINO.

From: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... C/286.html

Three Basic Guidelines for Kino
1) How comfortable the girl is with being kino'd DEPENDS 98% on YOU and how comfortable YOU are with it.

That means if you hesitantly take a girl's hand, both of you will be intensely aware of the contact and it will just be fucking awkward. On the other hand, if you just grab it naturally, playfully, and start moving somewhere, most times the girl will unquestioningly follow you and be chill about it, because it shows YOU are NOT nervous, that YOU are a physical/sexual/cool/experienced person and NOT a FREAK.


2) Early on, you keep kino SHORT but FREQUENT. As things escalate, you LESSEN the frequency, but start getting MORE intimate/intense.

For example: when you meet a girl, don't just smile and say "hi." Fuckin stretch out your hand (naturally and without a trace of self-consciousness) and high-five her, but keep your fingers loose so if possible, you guys intertwine fingers. Then you drag the hand for and pull it for a SPLIT second, then LET GO. You detaching first shows that you're very natural and used to physical contact. It shows that you're confident. Also, from now on, she's open to high-fives and hand-grabs from you.

Other examples: when you guys are laughing or she makes fun of you or whatever, you laugh and push her lightly. If she does something retarded or even if she doesn't, you can just be like "omg, you're so weird but, adorable..." *throw an arm over her shoulder, quick side-hug, then turn away, disconnect, do something else*

Any opportunity that you can, you should be touching and then cutting it off. It generates fast intimacy and makes you exude confidence/experience/flirtiness.


3) Kino amplifies state/mood. So you use it to physically support your cocky/funny, your push-pull, your flirting basically.

Ex: So I'll be like "wtf? are you rich? nice! we're getting married" *grab her hand* "can you cook? no? k sorry we're broken up" *daintily place her hand on the table or something, like it's a dead rat*

See how this works? You just use the kino to physically accompany your push-pull flirting. Because you touch on a high point (when both of you are enjoying a joke or the flirting) and then take away the touch on a low point (when you are verbally pushing her away) it makes her AWARE of the absence of your touch. It AMPLIFIES your flirting, establishing attraction MUCH faster.

These are the basics, as well as I can remember. If you want more, just ask I'll lay out some more shit, like kino-pinging and games you can play to test her.

NOW, ON COLLEGE:

I'm still in college so I know how daunting it can be. I'm still meeting new people and sometimes, I can walk to and from class and not meet anyone I know on the way there. This is because I go to a school with like 6,000 per class, lol.

If you are a freshman, befriend people in your DORM man! Froshies in dorms get drunk and hook up with each other all the time, in the most random combinations.

Also, just join SHIT, like clubs and orgs. Really, this is the easiest way to meet people. You don't even have to join EVERYTHING, just pick a handful that interest you and get to know people. For example, I'm in an Asian-interest fraternity, the boxing club, and the student paper. Every weekend, I am either doing fraternity stuff, partying w/boxing club ppl, or going to newspaper meetings/after-meeting parties. Seriously, in college, clubs = people meet to take care of club stuff, THEN PARTY. Join a sports team/physical hobby, so you can meet other dudes your age and they'll hook you up with parties/chicks.

Just try to push yourself out of your comfort zone each day.

By Style

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Nothing great will ever be achieved without great men, and men are great only if they are determined to be so.
- Charles de Gaulle

It's never too late to be who you might have been.
- George Eliot

thanks loads for all your advice