Hey all. I have a problem. I want to go to clubs but have no one cool to go with. For options I have my belligerent friends who drink too much and pick fights, and on the other hand, the rest of my friends are too "geeky" to bring to a club for lack of a better word.

Here is my newbie question:

If you're friends are all afc's would you:
a) go out with them anyhow in order to not be at the bar all alone
b)go out all alone
c)just skip the bar altogether

I almost feel like I have to sarge guys just to have someone to sarge girls with...

I go gaming EVERY single night, with no wing. I've been doing this for two months now. I use other guys and girls in the club as my wings.

Winging is overrated. I had four makeout sessions last night in-field. I dileberately stand out. Maybe you're game is not like mine; just stating it can, and has been done.

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okay.. i've read some post similar to this and some answer it differently.. what i found out is that you could do either way... if you're brave enough and confident enough to go on your own.. then why not go alone... if not.. then why don't you bring your "geeky" friends.. you could use that as an advantage and be the leader of the pack! that's one of the traits of being alpha... maybe once your friends see how you're getting all these girls, then you could probably teach them.. and sooner or later.. all of you will be competing with each other!...

in the end, it doesn't matter if you have someone with you unless they're actually a wing.

AFCs that aren't actually learning with you are going to be fairly useless.

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in most cases, the AFC's arent just useless, they can completely block you from doing anything else except "hang" with them (not all, but many). If any of your "geeky" friends seems interested in PUA, you might aswell try training him up a bit, then sarging with him, then you will both gain.

just get one of your trusted AFC friends, one that you can trust and tell him about PUA's get him to become your wing,

i did the same, works great

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

My afc friends dont believe in PUA's. I think I will have to "go it alone" for now...once they see me get a few more numbers I am sure I can get them to jump on board.

Mind you, I don't have many friends anyhow; I lost alot of 'em due to being depressed, negative and angry for like three years(after my heart was torn out)...from 2004 up until about the end of 2007 I was a big asshole and ready to kill myself. So many of my friends turned their backs on me at that time. I don't blame 'em. I'm good now, in fact, I am better than ever, but yeah, I have a long way to go before my friends, afc or not, will have faith in me again.

So the fact that it is ME telling them this pua stuff works isn't really convincing them. So like I said I will have to demonstrate by DOING. And take it from there...

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-Dre

If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

Regaining your friendship is one thing. Sarging girls is another. Keep these things separate. You don't need to prove ANYTHING to anybody. They don't need you to coach them how to pick up women. You need to coach yourself . . .

Go alone or

Don't tell those guys anything. Just leave them alone and venture around. Use them like little pawns.

If they're being dorky and stupid, your frame is, "Well, somebody's gotta baby sit them right?"

If they're being somewhat social, "Hey, let me introduce you to some of my friends . . ."

also.. just my opinion.. work on your inner game first.. being down for 3 years.. is not really healthy... i mean you're saying you're better.. and that's great.. but just make sure that you're inner game is solid.. since you will be going through these changes.. especially women.. if you play this game.. you will have a lot of women around you.. some are only for one night stands.. and some that you might feel more attraction and might take it to the next level... and if this does happen.. having a strong solid inner game will help you not repeat history... good luck!

Thanks for you concern bro. I'd give you the same advice if you wrote what I wrote. I am seriously ok now. My inner game is pretty solid now.

What happened was that about five years ago, I fell in love and the girl I fell in love with didn't love me back. I got negative when we broke up - real negative - lost my job and apartment. I was a total AFC in every way. I moved back in with my mom. I spent about two years as a whiny bitch and then began to regroup my thoughts. I started studying accounting, learned to watch my health and what I eat and started working out. I became EVEN better than before in EVERY way. BEFORE I got depressed, I was awesome. I was getting a good deal of girls and had a good life, money in the bank etc. NOW after my depression and a two - three year period of inner reflection and change I am amazing! I am now the best version of myself I could possibly be. I can almost see why the girl I loved never loved me back, I HAD to have my heart broken in order to make some positive changes. If she ever came back, she would fall head over heels for me now.

But when I got negative while living with my mom, lots of friends turned their backs on me. Some never came back. The ones that stuck around only wanted to play video games or guitar with me, they never wanted to go out. So, I started reading about pua's. I figured if I have to go out alone I had better be good at it. I worked on my inner game HUGELY. I learned to REFRAME a lot of my thoughts and conceptions about the world. Instead of focusing on the fact that Im short and bald, for example, I learned to focus on the POSITIVE. MY game is tight now. The girls around me would attest to this. Just the other day they told me how they think its weird how passive and sad I used to seem and how cocky and outgoing I am now. I have ascended.

Now...the only problem I have is that it was mostly my afc friends who stuck by me during my dark period and they aren't particularly good at getting girls.

But anyway...I have solid inner game now - I just get a little anxiety when first approaching a girl but overall I'm on my way up. I am going places, I am going to be an awesome pua one day, guaranteed.

It just sucks that I have no one to sarge with - yet - but I can always approach mixed sets when I go out and meet some new male friends that way. Because like Kasabi says I'm not going to try to change my current friends. I think they will come around when they see that I get more results...

i know how that goes.. fallin in love with the girl.. in that situation i could relate... feel bad on the girls after that since i've became bitter.. just became a jerk since i had that hate... sometimes.. to be honest.. i still do.. but i've changed all that now..

since it's easier said than done.. i've said to work on inner game.. but what you did was a masterpiece!.. you actually gathered everything.. and changed it! that's what i need to do.. i guess i've been quite comfortable since i have a gf.. and not really looking.. i'm using PU to better myself as a person... but i still have a long ways to go...