Before meeting this community I thought getting girls was all about looks, but now I see it's just about skills.

When I was AFC getting a number was HARD. Now I get numbers easily, now is the k-close that's hard, and f-close even harder.

But I think as I progress learning and go from rAFC to PUA k-close will get easy and f-close will be the real deal.

Now, I'd like you guys to tell how was your transition between these levels and how much time was necessary to get k-closes and f-closes smoothly in daily basis.

Thanks

Like numb-chuck skills?

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nunchuck....


and I think he means Wii skills....

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Well, soon you will realize that PUA is not about skills but about attitude...

External ----> internal -----> automatic

Thats pretty much the 3 levels men go through on what they think getting women is about.
External = looks, money etc etc
Internal = how they feel about themselves and how they act what they say etc etc
Automatic = they don't consciously do anything (natural pua)

yeah its all about mental conditioning,
value yourself, find a girl of equal or greater worth, then accumulate your 2 worths to make something of higher value.

You're born to do it or you not.

Yeah . . .you read that right.

I think academia is the worst offender of this "we can all do it if we give it some effort" propaganda. Look, anybody can pick up a few pointers and improve a bit but some will never, ever be able to pick this shit up. Sorry to burst the positivity bubble but it's as simple as that. Some just weren't born to seduce women and have sex. They can read EVERY pick up manual and practice every can in the book but . . . come on . . you know these guys. They just really suck at it.

It's like asking me to read a book on dunking a basketball and then expecting me to go out in an NBA game and dunk the ball over Shaq. There is NO AMOUNT of practice or study that will give me the ability to dunk a basketball. There is NO AMOUNT of practice or study that give AFC's the ability to procreate.

It's not "technique". . . it's life.

Ok... How to say thats really not true in a good way??? Oh, thats really not true.

Come on, it is not true. Everyone CAN learn, everyone CAN improve if they put enough efffort into it! The problem is that some people are not prepared to make the effort it requires and some people require more effort than others but I will take you up on the challenge, give me the worst AFC you can find and I will improve him!
I was a waaaay below AFC guy up until a few years ago, I could not get laid in a whorehouse with 10000 dollars in my pocket.

So what do you mean by these guys that can not learn, blind, deaf, lame?

Hope I didnt offend you man but I strongly disagree!

Ezo

No offense taken . . .

In fact, I agree with you that many can improve. But some are simply not cut out for it. They just don't have either the brains, psychological foundation, balls, natural talents,. . . I don't know exactly "what" but they have some limitations. No matter how hard they try, women find them creepy, weird, total nerdy losers . . . what can you do?

Hey, not everybody's going to be OK at this little game of ours. Not everybody who practices bowling 6 hours a day will be a championship bowler. Not everybody who practices golf 6 hours a day will be in the PGA. Not everybody who studies 10 hours a day will be an A student. 4 years of drama class ain't going to land most on Broadway. I could have swam 4 hours a day and I promise you, I would never have made the high school JV team. I know kids who took piano for 5 years who can't tell the difference between certain keys.

Some people are flat out terrible athletes. Some people are flat out stupid. Some people are just flat out terrible around other people. Some people have no libido. Some people can't recall a few lines from a song.

Can the average guy learn enough to go out and get himself a date or two? Sure. . . maybe a few one night stands here and there? Yeah, why not? . . . But what about those guys that plain suck. . . Look, I've taken plenty of guys out. I mean . . .I've seen guys who've taken seminars, read everybody book out there . . . and man, I don't want to sound negative but some are simply not cut out for it.

If there are naturals who are simply awesome by just being born, then it's quite reasonable to accept that some will suck not matter what type of "education" they receive.

Too tru too damn true,

I think judging by alot of questions and thing I see round on the board, alot of people arent made to be PUA's, Gurus etc, they bascially want to come on, solve a problem they are having with one target, then move on.

Im here to enhance and enrich the high standard of game I hold already. I have a disconnected, 3rd person perspective on my actions and interactions, I emotionally disconnect myself and really use myself as a tool in the job of getting laid.

No point using a screwdriver when you really need a sledgehammer... I just make sure that the tools at my disposal are either all generic enough to adapt or so specific they will never fail.

I rarely and I mean rarely dont # close minimum, and I never usually hit below HB8's as a standard. Im not a guru but I do have a deep psychological and metaphysical grasp and reach within the game.

I think if u need to query every step and ask questions every part of the journey then a) u shud really read this forum before posting and b) u obviously hope that this forum is the solution to the destinct lack of vagina in your bedrooms.

Its kinda all or nuffin, there no half measures, well with me personally not but we are all different, we pool our resources and experiences and hope that others can strive forward and acheive their potential

Right, I see what you mean. I agree. There are not many people who were meant to be mPUAs just like not everyone should be singers (Paris Hilton).
However, even the most unlikely personalities find their way to the top. You never know...

Ezo

That Kasabi, is such a bad analogy.

Being a PUA is not about competing against the best for A girl, rather it is playing the Game to the audience.

For you to say that there is no amound of study or PRACTICE will give you the ability to dunk basketball is rather laughable. For its only practice (and most of the time mor efocussed approach) that brings result.

Remember, the Game is not about playing against the best, it is about fidning the best in oneself, even if it means impressing that one person for life.[/quote]

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Sure, you can nitpick any of my analogies and tell me that it doesn't make perfect sense. The bottom line is that some people can do all they can "find the best in himself" in regards to OUR GAME and they will suck, suck, and suck even more. There is no impressing ANYBODY for life or for a minute because being around the level of suckiness that is capable by some people can be tear inducing.

This is just life . . . and it applies to every facet of it. A guy can practice "finding the best" in himself with the violin for his whole life but if he SUCKS at it, you're not going to sit there and listen that ear scorching crap and give him a thumbs up.

As for the basketball analogy . . . I still think it's a damn good one. Some people are good with certain skills. Others are not, regardless of their level of desire or effort.

I do kinda of agree with you kasabi, in a way. I do agree
some people will never be PUAs, but I do not believe its
because they cant. Lets face it... people are lazy, they dont
want to work most people come onto the board looking for
the "quick fix." Honestly alot of the new guys that come her
are in love with some girl theyve known their whole life and
the come her trying to get tips to get her. They either get the
advice they want or dont. Its dosent matter anyway they then
never comeback to the board and forget all about pick up unless
they see a Vh1 commercial.
Everyone WITH effort has the ability to be a PUA. Most of the gurus
are so good now because in the begining they were SO awful. Lets
take Adam Lyons for example. He put his whole life into pick up. He
practised 7 hours a day. The reason the gurus are so good is because
they have put more time into perfecting the craft of pick up than anyone
else.
I believe any can be a pick up artist if they put in the time and effort. I
think some people natural pick it up quicker than others, but eventually
with enough practise anyone can do it.

And then after that you will realize that PUA is not about attitude but about a state of being...

...and then after that there's even more...

No need to rush things, though. You can't skip to level 3 from level 1.