So I've known this girl for a lil more than a year. I hung out with this girl a few times(not on a date). She's a friend of my friend's girl friend so I seen her many times. I didn't really start talking to her till the past month or two. We talk and text each other sexual stuff, I have grabbed her ass and tits many times and vice versa for fun.

The problem is, she gives mixed signals. She's gives strong IOI's but also IOD's. She compliant to some things, but not all. Do I still have a chance or am I in the friend zone? If I still have a chance, what can I do to stay out of the friend zone?

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i dunno my opinion on this would be that ur like pretty far in the friend zone, especially since uve grabbed her ass and tits, thats usually something that i always thought like gay guys do for fun just with girls.

not saying ur gay, just that if your doing that stuff and its not making her get with you, that means she doesnt even see you as a threat and ur like her harmless guy friend that just loves to be in her presense.

imo ud have to be a completly different person around her to get her to like you in that way. i was in a similar situation back in high school and im not really even friends with this girl anymore because it just got fucked up b/c all i wanted to do was fuck her and i never got to.

thats my take, but i'll leave it up to the pros to give you a better answer

I think you should get some flirt going to make SURE that she is thinking about how it could be to have sex with you.

Needless to say, you want to make it so she thinks you are pretty good. If you talked about sexual stuff, you probably know what she likes so push her buttons a little bit and get her to be more curious about how it would be.

Depending on her reaction, re-assess your situation.

The significance of grabbing as and tits, just depends on how you bring it across... let her understand that it turns you on (don't necessarily say those words) just to make sure, she does't see you as her GBF.

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yea i agree with hutti, although when i did this on the girl that i mentioned in my last post, which i was in a similar situation, it didnt matter how flirty i was, i could tell she was into it, but i had been in the friend zone for so long that it was too late

Not really sure why so many guys give a rat's ass what a girl thinks before you even game her.

"She does this, she does that, she does handstands in front of me but doesn't do cart wheels. She eats chips in front of me but only half a bag . . . So, am I in or not?"

The very POINT of our game is to ATTRACT her to us. The point of our game is to walk in, walk up, and CREATE attraction. Hell . . . forget the damn game. Forget all this pick up bullshit. Just call her and go:

You: Hey, do you have any plans for Friday?
Her: I don't know.

You: Ever see _____ ? I hear it's hilarious. I'm going to rent it. Want to come over for a movie and pizza?
Her: Blah, blah, blah

I write "blah, blah, blah" because a "yes" or a "no" doesn't matter at ALL. She goes "yes", and you invite her over and fuck her. She goes, "no", and you go, "OK, maybe next time." Then you call 100's of other girls that go to your school. You call and ask 100, are you telling me that none will say yes? So you fuck some girl on Friday night right?

Then next week, this girl goes, "What did you do Friday night?"

You: I saw _____ with ______.
Her: Oh . . .

You: Well, you told me you were busy. How about ______ movie next weekend?
Her: (What the hell do you think?)

This isn't some rocket science but man, you guys are absolutely killing yourselves with analysis. . . what the hell is there to analyze? You didn't even begin gaming the girl. Might as well as go to your mom's garden and analyze her weeds.

What about holding hands and biting each other? Would that still be consider friend zone?

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Did you even read the piece of art Kasabi just left for you?

You've got to be kidding me . . .

HAHA!

The ironic thing is that prior to my learning about PUA life, I would still be thinking exactly the same way.

Whether I still act the same way is a matter of degree, but I'm working on that.

Thanks PUA forum veterans for helping me become less of a whiny, lovestruck, bleeding heart girl about...girls.

strong post from Kasabi

biting each other, hmmm if she thinks ur a friend, then grabbing her hand then start munching on her neck might... might make her reconsider being friends and more likely try to drive a stake through ur heart and carry an onion in the pocket when ever she thinks she might bump into u....

In my experience when a girl gives you IOIs and IODs she's flirting. She wants you, but she doesn't want to seem easy or desperate. Isolate her, run game on her and she'll be giving you the doggy bowl dinner look in no time. And then you kiss her and progress from there.

I slept with a girl a month a go I've been friends with for seven years. Knowing her for a year does not disqualify you.

B-Man