great idea! as soon as i saw this post i knew i had to try it opener.

tonight i tried it three times approaching alone and every result was the same.


i opened by asking what time the bus was supposed to come. then i pretended to walk away but immediately turned back as if i forgot something. "oh while im here, can i see your hand?"

after giving her her hand back (lol) i thanked her as if it were totally normal, left, and they all asked interestedly: "wait! what was that for?"

i think the key is to really give them GOOD eye contact in the first few sentences. you dont have much time to work with, so you'd need to establish as much of a connection as possible in those few seconds. but these were only 3 cases, maybe they will vary in the future.

great idea man

I know it's a bit to remember but the hand reading, even if you make it totally generic.

After explaining about the difference in length, hit her with a neg about how it demonstrates age or not working out much (just brainstorming here)

You can also display the palm of your hands after KINO showing a vunerable honest posture.

then comment on the palm of her hands saying she's got an interesting pattern, thus initiating the palm reading 4 lines.

I'll be trying this on my way across London later

Glad you guys are getting good results with this.

To date I have yet to have a woman not stop me when I walked away. I used this in the mall the other day when one of those hand lotion girls came up to me. I didn't close (still working on day time approaching/closing) but it had her so frazzled she forgot to try and sell me anything.

I've also used a neg after this too. My wing Ice Breaker came up with the idea to do it if she pulls away too soon. If her nails are done I normally use the "High Maintenance" neg.

Fantastic opener , because you are demonstrating a higher value as you open not only that but you got the kino to amplify it ; also shows that you are alpha willingness to walk away
Thanks for this you also gave me an idea for a new opener similar to this ill let you guys know when its complete


additional info for this opener
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio

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what if the girl is like, "What did your friend tell you?", and is hesitant in giving out her hand?

Is this opener invented by Mystery? I heard him talking about this in some vid.

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Neg her. Say something like "Don't worry I'll give it back" or "It's ok if your nails are done. Not everyone can be perfect like me.".


I've never heard of seen this opener before. In fact I discovered it myself by mistake. I was watching the show "Manwers" one night when they were talking about how you can identify if the woman you are picking up is really a man. The next day I was out at lunch telling a friend when the waitress came over. I said "can I see your hand for a second?". Held it up and showed him, the responce was "What am I missing?" so I took her hand again and explained it to her. Thus how I came up with it.

Now if Mystery has ever said anything about this I have never read/heard it.

In fact this is the episode I was watching..
http://www.spike.com/full-episode/season-2-ep-8/28807

Haha this would work great in thailand as a check for ladyboys.
Im keen to give this one a go

Ok thats just scary. Note to self, don't visit Thailand.

love this opener, definatley gonna try this!

Very Good.

I actually did my dissertation on this very subject. Thank you, I would never have thought of using it as an opener.

Come to think of it, when I was explaining it to a few girl friends they seemed to find find it very interesting even though I found it awfully trivial explaining it to them.

At the risk of sounding intelligent. Here is a bit of further info for conversation, hope it helps:

The theory is that it could be an accurate way of gauging androgen exposure early in foetus development, (this refers to the hormones that actually determine your sex i.e. testosterone/oestrogen). My actual thesis found that 2d:4d ratio can predict the depth of voice that a woman finds attractive, but its use has been further expanded into how successful people are in their jobs, how highly they rate their own physical attractiveness and a vast multitude of other factors that I won't bore you with.

On the most basic level what I deduced from carrying out my thesis is that women seem to be more attracted to men who demonstrate androgen exposure that they may be lacking in. I.e. a HB with relatively masculine androgen exposure may find more feminine males slightly more alluring.

Remember all embryos are initially female

Someone said earlier that homosexuals were more inclined to demonstrate feminine ratios, with a bit of speculation we can say that the reason they are homosexual is primarily down to the androgen exposure they received in the womb. Enough masculine androgen(testosterone) exposure to result in maleness but not enough to change the sexual cues that they find attractive.

So if you want to work the whole 2d4d ratio into a proper conversation, you could possibly neg them, by telling they should be into chicks. Or compliment them by saying they will go far in life, or "wow, your ratio is huge!! you must be super confident".

If you can think of any other ways to hit them with this concept let me know.

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this seems really good. I'm just starting out so I'm having trouble with something to open with since some of them seem more technical and harder to remember. But this is so easy. You gave me a great idea. Thanks!

Dither

haha, this opener is gold!
cheers buddy

Glad you guys are using this. I use it all the time and have yet to fail to open a set. Granted I have blown the set after but this has got me in the door to blow it..