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| vat_fagina | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:10 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Posts: 93 | | Ok, lets break it down for a monkey like me about the procedure used to entice a girl
1. Go in with an opener (opinion, random question) seeming uninterested in target.
2. Use the time constraint line..."have to leave shortly blah blah.."
3. Move onto the next topic quickly. Build rapport whilst dropping little seeds of yours.
4. Kino her
5. Once attraction is built, number or kiss close?
Can somebody amend or make another list on what needs to be done.
Its so easy to forget this stuff
Thanks!!
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| Jaybot | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:51 am | |
| Offline | | PUA Forum Leader |  | Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am Posts: 1688 Location: UK | | In the field I use a 3 step thing, it is MM essentially but a much freer and easier for me to remember version.
1. Disarm
2. Connect
3. Close
1. Disarm, means disarming yourself as a potential suitor, disarming the girl and disarming any obstacles, such as Amogs or mother hens.
2. Connect, this just means build rapport and begin kino. I am half done with my guide to insta-rapport, so expect that soon.
3. Close, this is just sealing the deal.
I know this doesn't tell you in too much detail how to do these things but I found that if you just concentrate on the main objectives of each step your mind will fill in the blanks.
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| vat_fagina | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:55 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Posts: 93 | | Wikid. Yeh I hear you.
Ok at what point do you isolate? Will that be in the connection stage?
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| Jaybot | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:09 am | |
| Offline | | PUA Forum Leader |  | Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am Posts: 1688 Location: UK | | I try to do it whenever it feels right, so a nice little trick I have used a few times is in the last stages of disarming, isolate the girl and the mother hen. By saying something like "we should grab a seat" (only works if there is one in sight, they won't have invested enough to go for a proper walk), you are then left with two girls instead of lots, then focus your attention on winning the mother hen over and she will leave. It is like an isolate by default.
But yeah, whenever it feels like you can do it and ideally before you start with trying to build rapport as they need to be able to hear you and relax (which is hard if their friends are joining in the conversation every 10 seconds).
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| vat_fagina | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:29 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Posts: 93 | | How bout if there are no seats?
How do you isolate if there's 2 girls and you have no wing?
Also I rarely go out more than twice a week due to work. But I work with alot of customers which could be to my advantage.
I work at the airport so have the opportunity to talk to tons of girls. But because I'm a different race, I think this is a factor in the whole game. Maybe.
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| Jaybot | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:59 am | |
| Offline | | PUA Forum Leader |  | Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am Posts: 1688 Location: UK | | If there is no seats, I would do one of two things. Either use body language and placement to isolate but within a few feet of her friends. SO you kind of turn her out of the set whilst talking using your placement alone.
Or just go to somewhere that is quieter.
If there is two girls and you have no wing then I would approach it in the same way as if there was one girl. Once you are isolated you just have to win her friend over and she will leave. Also in terms of the actual isolating I would lead the target and then the MH will either follow (no biggy if she does) or just leave you to it.
Most of the time girls will be in bigger sets than 2 though so you will be able to isolate without leaving anyone with noone to talk to.
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| vat_fagina | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:12 pm | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Posts: 93 | | You know what, I've done this many times where I've been successful in opening, creating attraction (through laughter) but then I don't get past that. I dunno y! Its all down to my procedure I guess. And I always get approach anxiety so I forget how I opened the last time. I know its not what you say because I usually start with a random comment and get the girl talking. I don't ask probing questions so the chat is kept light and flirty.
So how do I get into this character where I can do this all the time?
When I approach, I should be non threatening by just going in as I usually do; random questions.
Then, I get her talking, make her laugh through chit chat. Its never deep conversation. Maybe this is y I never leave the attraction base.
Give me some tips Jaybot please.
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| Jaybot | PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:38 pm | |
| Offline | | PUA Forum Leader |  | Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am Posts: 1688 Location: UK | | There are a lot of NLP techniques which can help you manage state to be in the best possible state at all times. Sadly I don't know much about them (hopefully someone else will give you some info on it).
As for AA I still get it to a degree but don't let it affect me, I see it in the same way as a musician who enjoys the rush just before going on stage.
The best way to get past the attraction phase is to isolate and create a deep connection. The easiest way I have found to do this is start probing a little and eventually you will find a secret or geeky hobby of theirs which you share (usually a love of 80's kids tv).
Or you can make a joke which is a little distasteful, which will bond you (if she has a similar sense of humor).
Also you can show a little emotion, a good way to do this is notice something that their body language shows they are insecure about. Then point it out (tactfully) and mention something you are insecure about etc.
Chick crack is another good way to form deep rapport quickly, mention chick flicks and how people take the piss because you love them (mean girls is gold).
All in all it is all about just getting into conversation and getting them to open up and talk about what they are passionate about.
Also you need to be escalating kino throughout this time, I usually bump up the amount of eye contact in this phase too (become lost in each others eyes, corny but the best way to describe it).
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| vat_fagina | PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:02 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:15 pm Posts: 93 | | Coool wikid! Very nice info man.
So I just wanna summarise so I can recheck this thread if I'm ever in doubt again.
1. Go in with an opener (opinion, random question) seeming uninterested in target.
2. Use the time constraint line..."have to leave shortly blah blah.."
3. Move onto the next topic quickly. Build rapport whilst dropping little seeds of yours.
4. Kino her
5. Once attraction is built, ISOLATE her by turning her away from the group or sitting down without leaving any of her friends in a weird situation.
6. Move onto a deeper level of conversation by probing (but not gettinf too intrusive) and create connection.
7. Close
What u think??
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| Jaybot | PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:09 am | |
| Offline | | PUA Forum Leader |  | Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:19 am Posts: 1688 Location: UK | should work perfectly 
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