Girl is best friends with a nongay-guy (maybe an ex idk). She talks with him everyday, hangs out with him every chance she gets. They're not going out, that's for sure. I'm friends with the girl, having trouble getting closer.

Being friends with the guy is a little tough, he has literally 0 guy friends he hangs out with and maybe 1 or 2 he talks to. we don't seem to share any interests, no sports, no games, no music etc.

Don't put too much thought into the guy bro... you should be focusing on
the girl...

I would suggest that you AMOG him out...

Check out a thread I posted... amoging-defined-routines-vt38579.html

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She talks with him everyday, hangs out with him every chance she gets.

This could work out in your favor because now you can focus on building her IL in YOU. Let the other guy be the emotional tampon, while you get to be the PUA she wants to f*ck (excuse the language).

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the guy is never around when we hang out together so that's not much of a problem.

The problem is getting her to go out and do something with me, movie, mall w/e. her activities with the other guy take priority over everything else so its hard to get her to go places.
If and when she does go places with me, I'd like to think I do a pretty good job at raising her IL. Mutual kino, laughs a lot, eye contact, walks close to me etc. And at group events, parties etc, she usually gravitates toward me (partly because the other guy is wasted, he's a crazy drinker).
I'll talk to her over aim every week or two but that's just to stay in touch.

After looking back on our interactions, I think I just call it before I get LJBF? Try again in a few months maybe when she's less emotionally invested in someone else (im assuming this is the case). Are you guys seeing something that I don't?

newbie here, but I think I read one of the field reports by the MPUAs on this forum

you just say, "do you want to spend your time talking to your friend, like you are going to do everyday of your life. Or do you want to have a fantastic evening with me?"

or some thing to that effect

The problem is getting her to go out and do something with me, movie, mall w/e. her activities with the other guy take priority over everything else so its hard to get her to go places.

You are not raising her IL enough or building enough attracton, you are in the friend zone.

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Newbie here..

Yeah, don't think too much of the guy. But you can probably ask more info from him (not that much) from your girl prospect so you'd know how to deal with him if ever and so you'd know how to establish your place to the girl.