I am new to the concepts of a PUG, its something I have been looking for almost all my life, and I am the kind of person that does his research before he actually does something. The best example I could come up with is going to the moon. In order not fail, you need to get an anticipation of all the possible outcomes,

However, I am to the point of trying to run ideas though people,

What I am wondering is,

In order to be an alpha male don't you need to show you are in control? By leading an example? Keeping people in check? Well once you do all those things, how is it possible to be friends with other alpha males? In addition, how do you remember to not let it become part of who you are in a relationship? (I don't want someone to be my bitch, I want a partner, hence how do alphas get along) but not only that, what are some good tips that you throw my way about being an alpha male.

One more thing I have allot of friends that are alpha dogs, but I tend to always be the beta, and when I try to voice my opinion, and make decisions, they tend to keep me in check. Then we argue for a while, got any advice on how I can prove to them that I also am an alpha male?

support your arguments more and neg them.. I have many friends who are alpha's, and I also consider myself an alpha. There are guys who cannot accept ever being anything less than in charge. Those people are the ones you need to if they are your friends just let it be. But if you are out sarging I reccomend going with someone who isnt going to hurt your game by always trying to beta you.

Alpha Male: In social animals, the alpha is the individual in the community to whom the others follow and defer.

In other words, a person people look up to and respect. If you compete for control, all you are doing is getting into a pissing contest (these types of battles are based on insecurity). You have to gain people's respect, you don't do that by arguing, or trying to prove yourself. Alpha's NEVER try to prove themselves because they don't have to.

I was watching an episode of Dog Whisperer with Cesar Millan (you can learn a great deal from this show regarding Alpha Males and Pack Leaders). He said something that had a profound effect on me..."pack leaders don't say let's go, they just move and everyone follows". Think about that.

I recommend reading Robert Greene's The 48 Laws of Power. This book will teach you how to become a powerful person...Alpha. You can apply a great deal of it's concepts to the PUA community as well. I love this book, it's my bible.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

well to me, being in alpha is much more a maturity, security and straight up smoothness than being overly dominant, with animalistic atittude

the leader IS in control, he don`t `shows` it
in a setting or team with no written down hierarchy probably theres always someone who take the lead and everyone accepts instantly that he is, its unconscious

but don't freak too much on it, work on your inner game, feeling good on your skin, security and maturity thats all you need(my opinion, obviously)

Thats an excellent question. I every workshop you'll see the mesage is quite clear. Be alpha, talk and have people listen, move and have people follow and direct allmost any interaction.

This is a concept that i feel isnt possible between Pua's. To lead, you need someone to follow, just as to talk you need someone to listen. So to ask the real question.

If me, and the four PUA's above me, went out on a sarge all trying to "be alpha" would it work in a balance? would we end up moaning at each other, or would one of us become a bitch???

wow thanks for all the advise ill take allot of into consideration, and im defiantly going to check out that book

I think for me being a "leader alpha male" would be harder then being a "bulldog alpha male." As in, trying to lead people all the time does not sound fun to me and socially exhausting. So instead, my goal for trying to become more alpha male is just hitting the gym and learning to fight. So noone will mess with me.

Right a quick reality check, and this goes for ALOT of people in the community.

1. Alpha males are not about "keeping others in check"

2. It's not about AMOGing, to engage in it AMOG behaviour shows that you have dropped to their level and are having to fight for control.

3. Alpha males aren't chosen becuase they are dominant and are capable of forcing themselves onto others. They are chosen becuase they are leaders, and putting them in control HAS POSITIVE RESULTS FOR THE GROUP.

4. If you try and dominate every male around you, and are negging women and throwing AMOG lines at everyguy who asks you to do him a favor. You'll find your invitation to alot of parties is being "mislayed" in the delivery process.

That behaviour is considered among most people as rude and invasive, Many PUA's will try and drill it out of you, but you would be surprised how well people respond to some politeness and manners.

5. A relationship is give and take, you are right in not wanting a "slave".. good on you.

6. Lions choose their alpha primarily through combatitive ability, simply put one lion in top dog/cat.. until another one comes along and kicks the shit into it, the old leader is usually ostricised and without the pack it doesn't take long for the lion to die of it's wounds, be killed by another pack that he stubles into, or simply starve.

Now humans are more advanced socially, our leaders are chosen in a more democratic fashion, we select our leader based on the candidates ability to lead, rather than who can posture the best and issue the cleverest insults, If you want to be alpha think leader, not fascist dictator. AMOG lines etc are for when things are coming out of hand, not when you enter the set or want to show yourself as "alpha".

7. Simply put, "alpha male bulldogs" as mentioned above (no disrespect to the poster) are usually feared and their commands headed, but socially shunned... i.e. their often not that popular thanks to the way they deal with other human beings. And women watch that and get turned of by such behaviour.

Also it sounds like your friends really don't have any respect for you.... AT ALL, I'd ditch them or prepare for a LONG struggle to get respect.

Right my comp is fucked and I'm typing on a friends laptop, so I dunno if I can respond if anone wants to discusss my post with me, but feel free to do so.

well i stopped hanging out with most of them, but i do hang out with this alpha male that has natural game, a guy that i have looked up to as a AFC, now he was kind of a "bull dog alpha male" but as i let him know that i have self respect, and dignity, and im not a push over and he really, (like what the fuck just happened) backed off from that, and now he is asking me questions, like do you think i did the right thing, and ect.

the way that im approaching the whole PUA thing is, im not trying to PUG to get laid, i actually want someone special, so instead of hitting the clubs or w/e right away im building who i am with the matterial, and going from there

but heres probably why he started to treat me like an equal

im a natural born fighter, im the guy you go to for back up, im currently in the processes of becoming a lawyer (yea lol its ironic) but i love it because i can naturally persuade people to view my side, and im a great public speaker, and now that i peacocked myself im actually pretty good looking, i guess all i really needed was some self respect and confidence a little incentive to be a better guy, dont get me wrong im going to work on being a better person till the day i die, but it is very gratifying to know that i am improving myself


and Fin i hope you don't mind, but i am going to use this example

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If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
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Thank you Fin. This one should be printed on the first page of every pickup-book out there containing the expression "alpha male".