I post this here because this is what a lot of people don't tell you when you first join the community to get results. Honestly, knowing how hard it was going to be I don't know that I would have started it. So if you are one that likes to just figure it out as you go, then stop reading.

What does it take?

The truth of the matter is there is no magic pill for getting better with women. You can't just read a few things on a forum or blog and be "the man" when you see that one special hot girl, it just doesn't work. Even if you read the best blog or forum out there and there is this amazing kick butt instructor, you still have to apply what you learn and that means practicing, and practicing a lot.

You are going to have to take what you've learned and practice it over and over and over again until it becomes a habit. That is basically what pickup is in a sense. You are doing things repetitiously until it becomes a learned behavior.

There will be a ton of rejection. There isn't a way around it either. Even the best guys out there are going to be rejected a lot! Think of it kind of like baseball. A guy batting .250 is awesome right. But he screws up 75% of the time. That's a lot of rejection. Even some of the really good guys have a hard time doing that batting average. It does boil down to a numbers game in a sense. The key is to get better so it takes less numbers.

That doesn't mean you'd be blown out each time you open as you get better, it just means you might only get a solid #close, k-close every so many interactions. There is no data out there on the guru's except maybe Sinn that know how many results they get for the # of people they open. When the masters go out the pre-screen girls and the screen some more when the open to get better results. They don't open random sets mostly, they are picky but they have a right to be.

I know most guys think all they need is a few good lines to use. But you will learn after a while that it really doesn't matter what the heck you say to women it's in "how" you say it. That will be one of your first big revelations in doing this.

You're going to have to set and manage your expectations of what you want. Set goals for yourself. There are all kinds of reasons to do this stuff. Most guys just want a girlfriend, and some want lots of sex. Either way you can get it from this if you apply yourself.

How long does it take to get good?

It varies for most people. Take someone like AFC Adam Lyons who is one of the best in the world. He managed to do it in about 6 months. However, he was also going out almost 5 days a week for several hours a day constantly approaching and practicing over and over again. So much so that he lost his old job, but luckily he got good enough to teach this and problem solved.

If that gives you any indication of how tough this can get. Here is another it took Mystery almost 10 years of failing countless times while going out to figure out his "system" for meeting and attracting women. How many of you are willing to fail for 10 years? Me neither! Luckily guys like them have paved the road for us we just have to walk down it.

This isn't what you want to hear, but it's what you deserve to hear if you are first starting out. Hard work, practice, learning, repetition, tons of rejection, little recognition, sticking to your goals, and a fair bit of TIME will get you to your goals.

The only question is, "DO YOU REALLY WANT IT BAD ENOUGH?"

Anything less than a solid "Hell Yeah!" even a pause in reflection might not be enough. Are you ready?

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Question - what if there aren't that many girls in my city? I mean...what if I just run out of them by "testing"??

get out of your comfort zone/town

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Do you live in Mayberry or what?

When in doubt find a new city! You might have to seriously consider driving to a nearby city in order to meet women. Many people from the smaller cities surrounding Nashville come here. Some guys even drive upwards of an hour or so.

Do what you can where you live, but I'd find the nearest major city and go there.

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i have the the oppersite problem, i live in chester. loads of hot babes 8'9'10's. My prob is that i dont wnat to "test" on girls that would be perfect for me to pick up when ive got some strong game.
Also, from going out to diferent places, when you do it in your own city you get a sort of...home field advantadge, and it makes everything a touch easier.

Mmm, I live in a very small country where everybody knows each other. The city I live in is the capital of my country. If I keep testing on everyone eventually rumour will go around that I'm the creepy guy or something lol

10 years for Mystery... hmm, well if you've been a loser for like more than double that length of time, i.e. most of your whole life, then what's another 10 years?!
Here's to a decade of face-planting!

Right, but he conciously went out for 10 years trying to meet women failing. Going out 3-4 times a week for 10 years screwing up. That must have been hard to deal with. Explains some things...

cheers!

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I have to admit, I am envious of you blokes who are getting into this stuff in your early 20's. I read the numbers and it always depresses me. Four hours a night more than one night a week? Forget that static. I have other responsibilities and other ambitions too. :-\

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it has been a month since i started to sarge and i admit i thought it was going to be easier, indeed! reading all the lines, the material is easy; adapting those on the field is another thing! it's like everything... you have to work hard to get what you want. yet, i wish i could hang out with some pua who could teach me on the field, thats the best way to improve faster!

well mystery took 10 years learning when there wasn't anything to learn from really.

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BUMP

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Completely agree.

I started going out 5 months ago and I was a complete newbie at sarging. I've always been socially normal but I could never go up and start a conversation with random women for the life of me... My friends could never figure out what was wrong with me.

You have to want to change. I'm by no means good at this stuff but what I did do was get out there... At least a few nights a week with the goal of approaching sets.... You'll rapidly improve and your friends will notice it before you.

If anything, a lot of reading will hurt your game. Why? You'll try to implement a lot of things which you don't completely understand and could mess up your set(s).

It's actually easier in smaller town to pickup girls once you have the skill set. I live in the big city so I tested A LOT. I probably approached couple of thousands of women over the last 5 years. I got a few good results and but always felt I could do better.

A year a go I relocated to a nearby town. At first I was not used to the environment, there were few chicks, and everyone is laid back, not as high energy as big city. I did not know how to vibe in such environment. So I actually travelled back to the big city center to sarge once in a while. Then one day, my car broke down and required 1 week to fix. I was just out grocery shopping in neighbourhood, something came over, I just started conversation naturally with one of the girls also shopping there. I offered to give her a ride, and she took it. It would never have happened in the big city - a young girl getting into a car with stranger after 5 minutes of conversation? So I decided to stop going back to the big city and stay close to home for 1 month so that I can get used to my own environment for sarging. It was unbelievable how easy it was to open girls in small towns, they are so much friendlier and less cold than big cities. 2 instant makeout in one week just walking around on the street. most of all, they were all done very laid back, not high energy crazy fast talking vibe like in the big city. It actually felt magical and nice!

Big cities: lots of target, you can approach 10 in an hour in crowded shopping malls. But you get rejected a lot. Girls in big cities have defence mechanism that don't trust strangers. Pro is that you get to practice a lot, and get used to rejection, and become natural conversationalist. The danger is you may fall into entertainer frame and make lots of female friends instead of getting results.

Small towns: less targets, sometimes you have to wait for an hour just to catch one attractive girl that passes through, but higher success rate. Another good thing is less crowd means better isolation, and less social pressure. It is possible to meet a girl in a coffee shop, and walk her to the nearby park and make out right then and there. there is probably no one around, surrounded only by trees and beautiful scenary. Or just drive around in your car / truck until you see a girl, you get out of it and talk to her on the streets - this works well in the small town, but if you do the same in the big city, people think you are a creep.



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i agree with the bump.

This is an important article. I have been sarging 3 days a week and am slowly getting results. I need to put more emphasis on practicing, figuring out my problems and sticking points and then smoothing out the intricacies of my game.

Thanks Jsmooth for the bump, putting this in my collection (word document) of great links from the forum.

Sincerely,

J Slay

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