hey you guys, ive been in the game for a while now and had some successes in the past.

im really confident around women and have been doing well in clubs/bars.

ive been going out sarging with a few friends of mine who really rely on me. basically if i am not in the mood, nothing happens. they tend to screw it often and therefor for me too.

i dont look cool with my friends. ive been positive though, giving them feedback and instructions what to do etc, trying to give the positive fibe at all times.


this isnt a, look at me, im so cool topic.
i dont want to disappoint my friends, they want me to go with them if they go 'sarging' and expect me to help them.

i actually think they hold me down from growing if im out there with them in the club. sooo much negativity too at times.

i dont know what to do man i dont want to be an instructor, im not even that great myself ofcourse but at the same time i want to grow myself and a good way to accomplish that is to hang with guys who are good with women.

Maybe introduce them to someone who is an instructor, or at least buy them a pick-up book?

hey man, first let me thank you for your response!

they have been reading alot about game, but they dont really have the best social skills(with girls, that is), they just started this game, so while im ahead they want to catch up.

i feel so bad about this because i really much prefer to hang out with guys who are good with women over them when im out in the club.
theyre my friends :/

Bros before hoes, right? Maybe if you've got say 2 nights a week out on the town, bring them on one of them and don't really think about pickup, then go sarge with more skilled wingmen the other night.

normally it goes like this:

we get in the club, get in a big circle and talk a bit, then they usually look at me to make some kind of move or they are debating how to open certain sets.

ofcourse there are worser situations but with this theres soo much more pressure on each and anyone off us and i just want things to go natural.

my friends just arent fun in the club, and it defin shows.

awesome reply man, bros before hoes definately.

problem is i only know 1 guy who i go out with who is skilled, hes a natural.

however, i cant refuse my other friends to come along with us, its just not.. i really cant do that can i?

Are they your roomates? You don't necessarily need to tell them your every coming and going, or be sneaky about not telling them either. But I do understand your loyalty, I'm kind of the same way and have to make a concious effort to hold any time or anything for myself. If you miss them one week, just be sure to make it up to them the next. Remember WHY you love the fellas, they're not as complicated and emotional as chicks.

Just saw this post after I replied to the other one. I'm really no expert myself honestly, but I could at least try to help you work it out. Are they like nervous, or just don't know exactly what to say? I'm tempted to say pull one babe away and leave them with the other to sink or swim, but again, I really don't know what I'm talking about.

thanks man,

were not roommates, so thats a good thing i guess for this game

ive been in sets and introduced them to my friends but i know that they have a good chance to screw it up.

yeah they are nervous and one dude is really selfconciouss and has this awkward vibe whenever he talks to any woman in the club.

theyre not terrible, whenever we are at a party they tend to do very well but out in the field with girls around them who they not know.. theyre sooo bad

I'd suggest meeting some new wings that compliment your game and switch between the two groups.

everyone wins

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