I play guitar, write songs & sing as a hobby. I hadn't written a song in a couple years, but got inspired by a girl I met & have been hanging out with. I ended up recording it & put it on a couple websites for review, & it got some solid reviews.

Now I've been sitting on this song & not even putting it on my music "band" myspace just because the nature of it & knowing she & friends would know exactly what it's about given the lyrics, even though it's my 1st new song in ages, & pretty good.

Didn't write it for this purpose, but any songwriters in the game that have used this talent because I think it has the potiental to get me almost single handly laid, which I know this girl likes me but is reluctant to get physical or in a relationship having just got out of one. I guess could also scare the shit out of her. What you guys think about it's usefulness.

#1 Should I never give it to her, or let anyone hear it, & just forget it.

#2 Should I put it on my myspace & not give a shit, when she hears regardless of the reaction or anyone, just maybe cite musical integrity & the song deserving to be heard, which I want to do anyway.

#3 Should I keep pocketing it for the right time, if she did get move our relationship farther.

#4 should I get her over to my house where closing is possible & try to actually play it for her.

#5 send it on a CD for valentines gift

any suggestions?

I'd suggest 2 with 5 a close second

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I say number 3. If you show it to her before you have gone out with her, it is telegraphing way too much interest. She could take it the wrong way and think that you are obsessed with her.

Everything could be tried except #1 - music is made to be heard!

How about letting us hear it? I'm a songwriter too.

Female perspective? Thanks, good to get the other side. This is what will likely continue to do until the relationship goes 1 way or the other. Could scare her, but I told her how I felt already, & she said she felt the same (complicated). She knows I play at open mic & knows I write songs. Might not shock her really, probably part the reason she is into me. Well the song is for a girl, not a bunch of PUA types, so at the risk of getting hammered just keep it in mind the intent, to get me laid.

I have 2 versions. I have one 1 that I personally like & wrote for myself. I have a have a rough recording, & it has more energy & how I orginally intended it when I wrote it for me. & would play it live.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7321423

Then I have the other cleaned up final version that when I really sat down & recorded it with my musician friend, he talked me into something more "soft & tender" for if I ever gave it to her. So basically the final recording evolved into something I thought she would like since it was really about her.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7321427

There is only one person who could use his songs as a lay tool.
That would be Frank Sinatra.

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I feel like a jerk when I comment to ppl with advices when I am 16 and only got in to seduction art, but hey.. I write what seems reasonable from my exp. Don't be mad. =]

Perhaps, but I did had a bit of a break through last night. I hadn't played live a long time so I decided to, & brought a couple of girls to open mic with me that were interested in hearing me play. It was just the 3 of us but unfortunatly they aren't prospects or anything as both have boyfriends, & one of there BF's is my best friend. So they are off limits. They're just good friends that had never heard me play before, but they looked like they could eat me up afterwords & told me "that made them wet in horny"...& were dead serious. So I think there is some untapped potiental I can work into my game some how. Any other amateur musicians incorporate your hobby into your game & how. I think I will live at the open mic now...

Nice song PUAdave.

I prefer the second one, methinks there's too much reverb on the vocal in the first one for my taste. I can't say I found it to be particularly specific about someone, but I guess if the person knows then it would be clear.

Yeah, I should try gigging. I'm actually gonna do some busking soon, is that any good for PUA?

I would choose #2 simply because you said it is the one you want to do. After you do that, I could see it working well if you gave her a cd of it as a v-day gift. Its a nice song that obviously means something to you, so it would make a good gift.

Can anyone think of a good way to incorporate my "band" myspace website into my game? Perhaps in an opener? I have always wanted to use it for a DHV, but it just seems like it would be to much like bragging which is a turn off.

The only way I can think is to use it as an opinion opener & asking "should I post a song I wrote about a girl I'm not with on my myspace. What do you think? Would that freak you out?" Then if they say yeah, just cite musical integrity & for the song deserving to be heard?

What you think? Seems like that is boarder line bragging. Perhaps they would ask for my myspace though.

The only time I have ever used it trying to pick up a girl was when she asked if I had a myspace & I told her all I had was a "band" one with some music on it. The reaction was very positive.

Although music and pickup are both arts with similarities all over the damn place, in my opinion using music to do anything other than just expressing yourself fully for the sake of expressing yourself fully is called one of two things (or both):

1. "Being a tool"
2. "Selling out"

I'm a musician, too. I started learning how to play guitar 6 years ago. Why? I thought it would get girls to give me attention/external validation. The fact that that was the reason I started playing guitar disgusts me. It really makes me sick to my stomach. I think I know how prostitutes feel. This is also why I hate "emo," because it whores music out in a desperate cry begging to be validated by an external source.

Music to me is sacred. It's supposed to be a pure and skilled expression of how you truly feel, so it's an extremely personal experience every time you throw some notes together. That's why it turns girls on in the first place, anyway... because you're showing true confidence in sharing how you really feel without an ulterior motive. It's just pure and natural YOU.

The very idea of using music that you poured your heart into for an ulterior motive makes me feel like someone is defiling a holy relic or some shit. Don't dehumanize yourself by devaluing your true expressions of who you are. Your music represents how YOU feel; it isn't about making girls horny and wet. The motive for music is self-expression. That's it.

So, if you want her to hear the song, don't make it part of some plan. However it ends up getting to her ears, let her hear the song just for the sake of expressing how you feel while expecting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return. That's musicianship.

That's just my radical "mixing-music-and-pickup-is-morally-wrong" stance on the issue, anyway Take it or leave it...

You mean if you could make serious money, or score serious tail with little effort off your music, you wouldn't take full advantage? I don't really understand people like that myself.

I'll say this. I started playing for the same reason, to impress girls. Everyone pretty much does IMO. That said it's never really done a lot of that for me, & I don't continue to play for hours because of that reason anymore. Now I just that I really enjoy writing as a thereputic process to get thoughts out of my head, & the rush of playing live.. I think it is a fun creative process. That said I never take it to serious & I don't really believe in selling out. For instance...

#1 if a commercial wanted to play one of my songs I'd take the money & run knowing more people would hear the song than if I didn't. The way you make it sound, I think you would even agree that music deserves to be heard, so why not let it be heard by more people.

#2 if Scarlett Johanson approched me & said my music was wonderful & made her hot, Im going to say let me play you a couple more at my house.

maybe that's selling out & if it were i'd totally sell out.