Ok, so im encountering strange LMR with this girl and i cant figure out why she is doing it.

so heres the story... met this girl about 2 weeks ago, who is friend of a friend, in a club and all went well k-closed in the club ended up going back to her house. kissed for a bit on the couch and then went up to her bedroom but on the way she tells me nothing is going to happen. so we're in the bed and its all going well but when i try to take off her jeans she stops me, so next time i just try to put my hand into her pants but she stops me again. the girl is 28 so its not like the first time shes been touched. i try again later but no dice so i figure she must be on her period especially when she grinds herself to near orgasm with her jeans still on.

the next morning she starts asking me where im living, how long im around for blah blah and eventually asks me for my number, so i know she likes me.

last week she starts texting me and we arrange to meet up. so i met her last night, got on great. went back to her house after the bar and have a cup of tea and the go up to her room, on the way up she tells me nothing is going to happen???? so we're in bed and everything is going good, i can tell shes horny. to my surprise she stops me putting my hand into her pants again, what the fucck??? and she wont let me take her jeans off. after a while i try again and she stops me so we just end up kissing for a while and then go to sleep. everything is cool in the morning and we arrange to meet up next week.

why wont she let me take her trousers off or even drop the hand? is this some kind of a test, self esteem, does she have an std or what?

ive never encountered this before from a girl on my second night in bed with her so any ideas on what the problem is and what i should do about it would be much appreciated as i need to get this figured out before our next date

She's not comfortable enough with you to move to that point. Her asking about how long you're going to be around and other stuff, is a hint that she needs to know more about you. She needs to know who you are, and that you are going to be around to take care of her if...god forbid....fill in the blank.

This is pretty normal. She definitely wants you and you have the attraction and seduction. You just need to backfill the comfort. It's okay to keep attempting to escalate but make a serious effort to relate to her more and you'll get what you want.

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I see what your saying, thing is i have to be careful with her because shes in my extended friends network so thers no way to make a clean get away so i have to be kind of honest with her. she lives in a city that i visit about once a week for a few days and she knows that even though im just back from abroad and going to be moving somewhere soon that its probably not going to be to her city. yet she still likes me and wants to meet up again. How do i backfill the comfort without lying to her or will she eventually give in after a few more meetings.

thanks for the advice

Don't lie to her in the first place.

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Yeah, ive been honest with her so far and would like to keep it like that. We get on well and i've stuck around after 2nights of no action so hopefully she'll relax more next time.

One last question, if the same thing happens next time should i confront her about it. If it did happen I would feel nearly obligated to say something or else I think id look weird as she would surely be expecting me to at least acknowledge that there is a reason why she wont let me go further. It would be a bit of a ridiculus situation, 3 nights and all that happens is that feel her tits!

i dunno if this will work in this situation, but i had this happen and i cut off all kino. i was myself and still ran all the other phases of seduction but didn't touch the girl at all. she asked if something was wrong, and i'd turn it back on her saying i'm having a great time and she's acting paranoid. at the end of the night, i played role reversal and said i had a headache and wanted to get some sleep so i was gonna leave to go home.

it fucked with the girl real bad. i could see it on her face as i was leaving. all the sudden she wasn't in control of the tempo of our interaction and she was running the risk of losing me completely. i got a text the next day about meeting up later that week. when i met up with her, i started back the kino and by the end of the night got laid. i didn't hit a single lmr in the process.

my rule is never to mention to sex to a girl if she's not putting out. it seems to trip an alarm and that anti-slut defense comes up real quick. all the sudden all of society's messages about being used for sex objects flood their brain.

she'll get the message without you having to say anything, believe me.

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Yea but if your just chillin there not making anything sexual(tension) happen your going to be skewed into the friends zone......if your just chillin back.

If you talk about sex you just gotta hit the right key that way she knows A. Shes not just getting used and B. Your not the type of dude that is going to run your mouth about it.

And the OP over here didnt even have numbers exchanged yet before trying to seal the deal? WTF did you expect her to do ? She aint going to give away something for nothing.

Refuses to let you into her pants despite all indications to the contrary? Anybody see the movie _The Crying Game_?

Meant to come post the outcome of this a long time ago but never got round to it. Anyway i thought i should do my duty and fill in what happened and how i achieved a successful outcome.

The next night i was with her i told her i was taking her out for dinner (rather than just going for drinks with her). However it was the same story when we got back to my place, she wouldnt let me put my hand down her pants. I took Mr. Naturals advice and kept my mouth shut and didnt ask her what was wrong. The next morning we start messing around in bed and this time when i drop my hand she doesnt resist. We end up having sex without any lmr.

What caused this change, i cant say for certain. One would think the alchol we drank after the dinner before would have meant she would have been more relaxed and receptive. My own impression is that she had some kind of personal rule in that she wont have sex with somebody until she has spent three nights together.

Most important lesson of the whole experience was to follow Mr. Naturals advice If i hadnt followed this then things may have been different, cheers Natural

Yeah, Mr Natural's advice sounded good. My roommate had exactly this same scenario. The girl wouldn't let him in her pants at all, but the next morning she gave it up with zero resistance. We never figured it out. You should ask the girl what her deal was for all of us. Maybe some girls have a 72 hour probation period that expired while you were sleeping? God, I hope I never have to deal with LMR, I've been lucky I guess. Yeah, I never tell a girl I intend to screw her. I say, "What, I'm just playing with you," with a grin if she protests. That's been enough so far.

Mmm, great advice boys! I had same problem yesterday, all went well, i could go for the pussy a bit rubbing etc, but that was about it, suddenly she wanted to go to bed, and nothing....

i think the problem was, i was like the little fat kid in the candy store , might need to work on that

Going to try Naturals advice

thx

I bet some girls are like, "I'm not a slut because I've never screwed a guy in the first week." Then immediately on the eighth day, they do it. You just have to run out the clock.

Oh, and pulling a girl on top of you so she's straddling you seems good for LMR. Has anyone tried guiding a girl's hand to your junk if they refuse to let you touch their crotch? That's what I'm gonna try if it ever comes up.

Never tried that minsok, let us know

A common thing i also hear is them saying 'i never have sex with someone before i have a relationship with them' mmm, wonder how to break that shit up...

Those type can be tricky because she might assume after you hook up that you accept her terms and are in a relationship. I hate it when a girl uses sex as a bargaining chip. Foremost, you have to be clear that you aren't like that and you like to sample the goods before you commit. I have never found a way to frame that that doesn't push that type of girl away, it makes it a contest of her vs you; which will make her more stubborn. Beating LMR won't solve that problem unless you only want her the one time.