Friends,

I need to know how to avoid getting AMOGged by a couple of my peers. This is the situation: I have a female friend that I’m fairly close to. She has a roommate that I would describe as the jock type of AMOG, and he's got pretty good game. Often times his close friend (also another AMOG) is with him and I frequently feel disrespected and ignored by them when i visit my friend. I think I can overcome this situation but I need help from those of you that have experience with these kinds of things.

I'll describe myself first by asserting that I am 5’8” also well built and I play sports. I like to think of myself as an intellectual as well. I'd say I exude confidence in my posture and demeanor but it's not in a cocky way. Usually it is a respectful confidence.

The two guys AMOGging me have the following profiles: The roomate is tall, with a thin build and talks with a very casual “I’m from the country” tone. He typically comes home from work in his an old bronco, watches sports on ESPN, talks about his next Olive Garden team softball game. His conversational threads typically range from that one time he was drunk to that one time he was snowboarding drunk to that one time he got drunk and saved a puppy.

His buddy is more of the chiller AMOG. He usually comes in and says some kind of goofy off the wall thing or makes some wacky facial expression. He has long hair and an attitude that says "I'm down to do anything, come party with me". His conversations typically range from "that one time i was high and started at a painting for 2 hours, to that one time I did X and tried to watch the sunset at the dam, and that one time i saved a puppy when i was realy high" I've done a very good job of describing these two and it amazes me that either of them are able to do as well as they do. Regardless, women love them.

This is an example of how they frequently AMOG me. I'll be at my female friends house with a couple other ladies (all friends and acquaintances) and one of my buddies that's a guy. We'll be taking a night off and playing some board games while watching TV. Generally it's a good time. Unnanounced these guys come back from snowboarding and completely intterupt everything. One sits next to a girl I'm speaking to and teases her a bit then proceeds to tell a story. Almost instantly the connection among us and the game we were playing has taken a priority of 0, the females I was talking to (who are supposedly my friends) have thier backs turned to me and - this is the most frustrating part - the guys don't even acknowledge my presence. Nobody says hi, nothing. Suddenly my importance has significantly diminished. If I don't speak to the AMOGs first they won't acknowledge me at all. Even when I do speak they typically ignore what I say or find someway to redirect it to a story about themselves.

It's very frustrating because I generally do well with women and I am respected by most of the people I know and am aquaintances with. Yet, these two guys that I find to be dull with far less potential than me take the spotlight away from me, They also disrespect me by ignoring me entirely.

Tonight I was talking to my female friend about going to the bars with a bunch of our friends. I asked her if she knew any other cool guys she felt like inviting. She refers to these two AMOGs as "The boys" (like some kind of corny 80’s rock band) which alltogether irritates me. I immediately said “NO, not them.” She responded by saying "Oh yeah, they make you feel uncomfortable", as if somehow it’s my fault that they have no manners.

How do I remedy this situation? How can I reframe this?

This isn't a bad thing because I'm trying to gain experience in all of these situations.

I ask of you to offer me helpful input. Help me own the situation.

Thanks for reading till the end.

CPT

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Not really able to suggest anything, but just wanted to post and say (I'm new here) that I share your pain.

I too am 5'8", play sport and gym a lot, confident about my appearance (plenty of compliments etc).

Like you, I can be talking to girls (also sometimes happens with guys but rarer/I don't care) and providing I feel fairly comfortable, pretty good stuff flows from my mouth. Sometimes another bloke will come along (and it seems to be regardless of how great he actually is or is not) and if that attention is snapped away, backs are turned and words to turn things around just stop flowing.

Will be interested in hearing some replies, but I guess it's a self belief/self fulfilling thing...

AMOGs are easy to deal with there are 3 main types

The physical types; they will go for hugs and hard slaps on the back, just hug them back or slap them on the back or disarm with an "easy tiger".

The asshole type; these will call you gay, say you are too young/too short. The best way to deal with these is matter of fact answers for example a few nights back 4 guys tried to AMOG me in front of a girl, they asked a load of bullshit questions and the pinnacle was "are you gay?" I just responded with "at the end of the day she is coming home with me does that make me gay?"

The last type is the buddy type, they will come over and try to overdo being your friend, these guys just need you to take one minute of your time to ask them about themselves and they will leave. If you don't deal with the situation it will turn into 10 minutes of headaches.


So yar AMOGs are a non-issue it's mother hens I need to work on disarming

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Example #2

It's 1am. I'm sitting with my friend on the couch. From 40 yards away I hear the sound of AMOGS coming from outside. It's a fratastic beggining to an awful interruption.

The two guys i've already mentioned walk in with another belligerent friend almost too drunk to stumble through the door. Instantly the jock exclaims "Hey!!!!! Captain's got an 80's shirt on.. haha!" and goes straight to the bathroom either to empty his bladder or to tell the mirror just how much he loves it. Just like that he's gone. It's a perfect shot-gun neg where he uses the "throw and go" approach. Before I can even respond he and his thugs have laughed it up and dispersed.

The "chiller" AMOG completely ignores me and says "what's up" to my female friend. She asks how he's doing and he responds by getting down on all fours and pretending to hump the ground. Admittedly it's a little funny, but not nearly as funny as the thought of me uppercutting this guy into the best sleep he's ever had. I don't do it...

The thugs reconvene and huddle as if it's some kind of football play they've been practicing. At this late hour i am tired and I'm truly baffled by why these guys are such monstrous douche bags. So I plan to calmly say goodnight to my friend and leave before I lose my cool. But just before I leave one of them asks me a question. "What movie are you guys watching?". I answer "It's the bucket list, but we're really not even watching it anymore". Before I even finish my sentence his back is turned and he is either so damn stupid that he forgot about his question OR he's AMOGGING me. That's it. I'm outta here.

I get up and hug my female friend. I compltely ignore the thugs and I leave with my chin up.

Someone who is a pro anti-amogger, please give me a play-by-play of how you would've handled this situation.

Much thanks.

CPT

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"Wait, so let me get this straight. One really big meal a day then we go to sleep, no paper towels but a little bit of bread because we're not Nazis and as many popsicles as we want."

Ok this whole thing doesn't make sense to me man, if you are just friends with the girl than why are you worried about the AMOG's?

It sounds to me like you need help to get out of the LJBF's zone. Maybe read up on that first and then tackle the AMOG's.

First off... Why bother about it? It is a bad scenario I guess but it is just one girl and it is just a friend. Get her to see you in other situations with other people and she will realize that you have the superior social skills.

Another way of disarming these kind of guys is that one of them starts his usual stories or bragging or whatever, just give her a knowing look from the corner of your eye and smile to yourself (amused but not because of the story).

I guess you also need to work on your leader of men attitude. This is not your avarage AMOGing, this are guys that are used to lead. They lead until another leader appears. It could be difficult for you to change that since you already know them but for further sets. Just realize that you are the best, the most beautiful, the coolest, most powerful guy in the room...

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"No! Not them" just highlights your frustrations significantly, and of course she picked up right on it. SHe probably notices you squirming in your seat and NOT doing anything about it as well when they interrupt.

So do something about it. First, instead of such a blunt and fill-in-the-blanks denial, make sure she knows why you dont like them, and make it about them, not you. "Those guys are fucking idiots, all he does is want to talk about himself and its always the same damn three stories, haven't you noticed?" "Ha I cant believe you fall for his game, he probably barely made the team due to his grades. DO you really want kids that stupid?" "I just think he is extremely annoying and aggravating to be around. He completely ignores people so he can talk to himself and he will interrupt any kind of situation to do so. The guy is a social moron, can you imagine him at your wedding?? HA!" Check out boyfriend killers for more, as well as anti-amog routines.

Interrupt his stories as well, "Oh no, not this story again. Come on superman I bet you can try something new and different for once.." Laugh and be all jokey jokey about it, like he does to you probably. As well you can interrupt with you own, better, DHV stories... just talk right over him "Oh man give us a break, this one time.....(make sure its more interesting and funnier and not something you can get called on for making it up). The whole time, just be cocky funny and outdo him on the "Fake friend super humor" routine.

When he interrupts the board game or another activity, call him on it. "Hey stud, you know we were in the middle of a fun game here. Dont you want to join in, Im sure (girls name) can teach you the rules.."

If he tries to rip on you because you were having fun playing some "gay board game" as he probably will, then he is suddenly ripping on everybody else who was having fun doing it, girls included. If they are weaker minded, they may side with him (but they will still feel bad inside about it), but otherwise you will probably find yourself getting some girl support.


These guys are walking all over you because you are letting them, and each time you do that, you are getting seriously DLVed in the eyes of the women, and as well you are DHVing your rivals. Bad situation. The methods I gave here are pretty upfront, its based on the fact that these guys arent really your friends at all. I hope you recognize this fact. If you want to go a more peaceful route, then try making better friends with them, tho I cant imagine why you would want to and as well, good luck with that with such jerks.

I Would have to agree 100% with Daggaz! Dude...you are LETTING them walk all over you! Try firing some of their own shit back at them! Like when one of them starts with their stories be like "Man! You need to lay off the drugs, you sound like a broken record tellin the same story over and over...and over...and over" then, when he tries to interupt just continue with the "....and over...and over". Deffinately disrupts their train of though and they'll get all pissy which is a DLV!

If the other one chimes in just be like..."Come on he's a big boy, but just incase here's my phone to call the wambulance...or wait i'll call you're probably a little too high/drunk to use it!"

Of course that's just a rough idea but I hope you get the picture! Check out all the C/F material you can because it deffinately works on men too!

Another thing you could say whenever they walk through the door or make an entrance of some sorts..."Man does anyone else feel dumber since they walked in? I didn't think my IQ could drop by just being you guys!"

Just don't let them walk all over you....and who gives a shit who's feelings you hurt, even if they're your friends feelings. If she tries to defend them then just tell her how fucked up it is that she'll defend them but not you!

You can turn this around in an instant!!!

Good luck!!

-Crain Diesel

I have made it very clear to my female friend the exact reason why I don't like these guys. She has read the game and whole-heartedly agrees with me about what I say, but doesn't do much to ignore them either. I'm not so concerned with DHVing in front of her because she is just a friend (I'm not interested in hooking up with her). It's the principle of the matter that bothers me. If I can get AMOGGED in front of a friend, then that means I can probably get AMOGGED in front of strangers. I'm trying to improve my game and be unAMOGGABLE which is the point of this thread. It's also a matter of respect.
Nice line. I think I'll use that.
...Goes through my head everytime. This time I'll say it.


Thanks guys. Any more suggestions are welcome.

CPT

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"Wait, so let me get this straight. One really big meal a day then we go to sleep, no paper towels but a little bit of bread because we're not Nazis and as many popsicles as we want."

Well if she is just your friend and that is all, maybe you should talk to her a bit about her reaction in front of them, and if she will back you up a bit more, since it would be the right thing to do and all.. Of course, probably she is just waiting for you to show some first..

Try using nicknames btw for them, and change them all the time. Typical names that sound positive and studly, yet are usually reserved for a mom or dad talking to their young son, are PERFECT.

Stud. Champ. Superman. Chief. Cowboy. The list goes on.. Just be prepared for the guy to suddenly get real pissed off.

Don't be rude, just play the game by the rules they've established.

They don't acknowledge you, so don't acknowledge them.

They come in and talk to and flirt with girls you're talking to, so do the same to them.

They talk over you and make themselves the center of attention, do the same.

Right now you seem like a nerd in high school who gets picked on and takes it. You have to TRY to assert yourself instead of just sitting there looking nervous.

It's obvious if your friend notices it.

Man up and steal the attention back.

S

I think you have the wrong state of mind. It seems like you hold a lot of resentment. You let them get under your skin, and you are obviously self-conscious when they are around. You need to let that shit go. Why the fuck are you wasting so much energy on these dudes. Honestly, I bet you could be friends with them, and actually start to like them genuinely if you understood them.

This is crucial; Everybody is different, and everybody has something different going on with them. Don't you think you could be a little more superior in your intellect and try to understand what makes these guys go, than to just harbor hatred for them? I know you're probably saying, FUCK THAT< FUCK THOSE DOUCHE-BAGS! But that doesnt get you anywhere. Everyone can be "understood" and the one who understands them holds all the power in the world. Its fucking God-like shit!

Superior game means getting along with everybody, relating to them on a level where you bring value. I agree with Sinn when he says play by their rules. But understand them first! These dudes like to have fun, fuck around, tell stupid stories. Why cant you have fun, fuck around, tell stupid stories too?

You have the advantage because you understand on a conscious level what is going on. You can tool them while holding resentment and remain "enemies," or tool them while having fun and befriend them. Sounds kind of hippie of me to say (and its killing me!) but its better to befriend them. That way your girl friend won't feel awkward anymore when shes around both of you. Plus you won't feel awkward, and they won't feel awkward. Have fun man, let loose and dont be so uptight. There is little these guys could do to justify you holding so much hatred for them. No one is worth that.

Also, don't use the word "ladies," it screams I'm trying to be a pimp, (bad).

You can use those lines some of the guys gave you, but don't be a dick, be the cool guy who doesn't let anyone fuck up their being (state/frame/reality).

Just be the bigger man basically. Let go of your ego. And if you think this is just total bullshit, and you would be lowering yourself to hang out with "floorhumpers" find new people to be around (although you did admit it was funny). You do come a cross like a smart guy, so have faith you will figure it out regardless. Have fun.

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damn man, if this guys are getting on your nerves just draw the line the will respect you the second after

its time for some confrontation, this guys don't respect you watsoever, why is that is because you never stood up for yourself

thats just my opinion, but I'd already be already talking heavier to this guys long time ago, you don't need to be nice to them, you don't need to be friends with them and obviously you shouldnt be taking shit from them

at this point, IMO, going smooth under the lines amoging tactics won't work anymore, you need to confront and impose yourself

draw the "I don't like you" line now, don't greet them, only talk whats innevitable and harshly, don't feel any need to even look at their eyes, or even staying anywhere they are
all this in an indiferent manner, not affected, "is there anything wrong?"
"no, I just don't like you/your face"
if they continue to make a fool of you just stare right into their eyes dead serious so its clear you're not liking it
if they keep pushing your boundaries, well, make it more clear


what I do normally is, I don't let anyone make me a fool right from the start, the first time Ill be already staring eyes with a cynical smile saying "oh, really?"... well, the rest you can imagine, I've been this way for some time and never got in fights because of it, I don't know, Im always confrontional in this aspects, respect is key for me
Im about your height and thin

She needs the dick relax and stop cock blocking the girl lol

It's interesting to me the range of approaches you all have. This is cool. I guess i'll just try them step by step.

I will however assert that it is difficult to do much about amogs when you're alone in a group. If i had my buddies with me we could actually talk over them, but with 2-3 of them, 1 neutral female friend and one of me it makes the scenario more difficult. Also the fact that one of them is my female friend's roomate complicates it because I am in his house afterall.

But I will not make any more excuses. Any challenge can be overcome.

I'm going to save some of the stuff you all wrote.

Thanks

CPT

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