your game,

weed ruins my game, im such a sociable person, but fucks it up, i cant calibrate conversations, sumtimes i just say the stupidest stuff, it remove smy filter

alcohol can sumtimes take my game to the next lvl sum times, like a performance enhancing drug,

but its wrked against me plenty of times, so i've decided, beer always helps ur game, liquor it can go either way, and stay away from weed,

i've never done coke or E, but Xanax is awesome too, alota ppl say to stay away from alcohol but wen im drunk im more often the life of the party then not

how do u guys feel bout this stuf

hey man , i love a big spliff but cant smoke it when im gaming as im not as talkative

with alcohol i find i neg to much and my game doesnt have any structure to it

i go sarging twice a week sober ,drinking 1 pint at the start then a few cokes but when im out with my other friends ill get wasted

since i started sarging sober ive noticed my game has improved so much . its easier to lead the interaction in the direction you want because you are focused .

alcohol and weed or anything else are fine when sarging if you can still function , i cant so i dont bother but they should never be used to help overcome AA .

also ive found that when im in set and going well it is a massive DHV when the girl realises that i am sober . she see's the real you . not some drunk or coked up guy that seems fun but has her thinking 'whats he like when hes sober'

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drinking a bit for me, helps my game a ton. but if i end up drinking too much (alot of girls lately have been buying me tons of shots) it ends up ruining my game, happened quite a few times.

weed will make me just wanna sit there and listen and not say anything, which isnt too bad sometimes. i usually am straight with like 1 or 2 bowls but anything passed that i'll just be high as shit and not want to talk.

oh, and i never mix the 2 together, its just a bad idea.

well, I always drink beer in the night, when Im feeling fine I think it doesnt matter much, I don't need alcohol to do anything, its just cause I like it, and of course as Im talking more and putting some alcohol inside it builds my energy level, so its pretty natural to me

I don't like pot much as a drug in general, bad trips are frequent and of course the game is pretty much blown out
I think its cool if there's a kickass live show, but thats it

cocaine sure fits sarging... you get confident, talkative and uninhibited
but if you plan to have sex that same night you may have a bad surprise when your dick fails you, not to mention is a dangerous drug, not everyone, if anyone, can mess with it
specially if you start associating coke with game since they fit so well together

I don't mess with other stuffs..

E makes me the worlds best lover and a dancing machine

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First Im not condoning any sort of illegal drug use, as Im pretty sure thats against forum rules here... But Ive got a lot of experience here and if some of the younger guys can learn something, good hopefully it will help them not ruin their lives.

Alcohol. For most people, they should really stop at two or three drinks. A little to loosen up maybe, but then stop. For me, I can game quite well when I am drunk, as long as I dont get stupid shit faced (which takes enough to kill most kids) but I am an old bartender. But the truth is, even tho I have incredible positive energy when im drunk, I do better with the ladies when I am far more sober.

Marijuana. The social killer. If you are into weed, smoke it in bed with your girlfriend for fun results, but for gods sake dont get high and go to clubs. Such a waste. Also, smoking it every day is a great way to wreck your future, believe it or not. It sucks the life out of your bones, im sure you can name a ton of famous artists and what not, but lets face it, those people are not the norm, and they have a huge energy in their lives already backing them up and pushing them forward. Do you?

Ecstasy. Wanna dance? All night? Nonstop? You will also love everybody like you wouldnt believe. But when it wears off, you will realize you havent talked about anything barely, and you will be wondering why you are hanging out with these people. Not to mention you will be dead tired and depressed the next couple days. Most people cant manage to have sex on E either, it does something to kill lust, you are too involved in being happy. Not to mention, this one affects your brain chemistry directly, with long term results. Abuse it, and you WILL end up with a serious, even life threatening, depression.

Cocaine. Wow, what a trickster. This one seems like THE party drug, you are awesome, and confident, and funny and you can go all night. Except no wait, you arent, and you cant. Cokeheads talk nonstop (they will interrupt right over your ass) about completely innane bullshit that makes no sense and is absolutely not important, tho it seems so deep at the time. And they cant hold one conversation down either, its like a fucking broken juke box that keeps skipping songs. And half the time, they are short tempered assholes. And as far as going all night? Even Casanova is going to find it next to impossible to get it up. Coke is the lady killer, all right. Not to mention, its highly addictive and ends up ruining your life. If you are taking coke to improve your game, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!

Amphetamine/Methamphetamine

Omg. Watch Requieme for a Dream. I shouldnt need to say more, this is basically a true story. Speed is pretty much the short bus for coke, with pretty much the same mental effects, the differences really arent worth going into here because the end result is that this is NOT good for your game in the long run. Yes, you will have a great night and dance and be active and talk nonstop about nothing at all, I mean there is a reason people take this stuff, but its faked and forced and you pay for it thru the teeth. Literally. Your teeth fall out with longterm use. So does your hair.

Meth is chemically speaking the "crack" version of speed. It is 100x nastier and WILL destroy your life like you wouldnt believe. If you are on this stuff, you should get help NOW before it is too late. You have about five years from when you start, to where you hit rockbottom and you will never get the twenty years back that it physically sucks right out of your face. You will probably end up prostituting yourself, and almost certainly you will end up in jail.

Barbituates/Prescription Depressants
This is not nearly as common today as it was in Liz Taylor's time, if you are on this stuff you probably have a serious coke habit and are using it to not die of a heart attack. Theres no point about talking about it more, it depresses your game and puts you to sleep. Stay off this highly addictive shit.

Xanax/Prozac/Prescription Mood Enhancers
I am astonished that anybody would take these without a doctor's receipt. It is designed to directly alter your brain chemistry. Its for people with abnormal brain chemistry. If you have normal brain chemistry, well, you wont anymore! You risk extreme suicidal depression, uncontrollable mood swings, violent outbursts, and more by abusing this stuff for any length of time. How does that help your game? See Ecstasy.

Long story short, drug use while fun as hell at the time, never helps your game in the long run, and probably isnt doing anything for it in the short run as well, no matter how it might feel while you are high.

Daggaz. +1.

I'd like to mention some healthy tips.

Keep the Drugs out until you're over into Comfort with the girl, or until after you've gone F-Close

Once you're into a comfortable setting and have a vibe with the girl you can see what kind of usage she is cool with, and you can perhaps experiment a little together, but all in all, there's little drug use that will effect your game in positive ways.

Sex may be experienced differently, sometimes better, depending on your individual experience of the drugs.

If you need any help deciding what to do.. read Robert Anton Wilson's "Sex, Drugs & Magick"

Don't use drugs to aid your game... that shit is weak, and you'll probably never be a true PUA.
Sorry about the hard approach, but hey... if you need E to feel like the world's best lover; you'll probably never actually Be the world's best lover.

Feeling like the world's best lover should come automatically... and besides; MDMA will fuck up your serotonin transporters (SERTs). Which will make you depressed and unable to feel in a normal way for a long, long time.

Serotonin should be all the drugs you ever need.... and with the right mindset you should be able to regulate the levels without external "aid"


Cheers!

People are a little weary of people that don't drink at bars. By that I mean they get called out on it because it draws attention. Water gets put in plastic cups which then seem to beem and light up the whole room and people wonder what the heck?! So it is understandable to want to drink while you are out....I mean it IS a bar. But like the other guys said this must be done in moderation.

Also, you need to know what TYPE of drunk you are. Some get hyper, social, chill, angry, sad etc... Knowing that will help you calibrate how many drinks you can have and be at optimum performance. But rememeber, even thought its short-term effects can include increased sociablitiy and decressed anxiety, alcohol is a depressant. If you drink too much not only will you be slurring your words, but you will end up sitting in a corner zoned out which is not attractive.

If you cant make your choices and stick to them confidentaly yet, and really do worry what other people will think about you that much, then I recommend ordering applejuice on ice, or a virgin screwdriver, or a similiar drink, and sip it like its booze. Nobody, and I mean nobody, will be able to tell the difference. Nor will they even try, it slips right in under the radar. Not to mention, even if a cute girl wants a sip of your drink, if she's drunk she wont be able to tell there is no alcohol in it, and if she is sober, she might just think its really refreshing and give you a knowing happy smile.

I left one drug out that is getting more popular these days, the sex post after mine reminded me.

Party Poppers /Amyl-Nitrates

These things are really crazy fun the first time you try them, its kind of like doing Nitrous Oxide (both of which kill zillions of braincells each time, so damn dont do that too much) in that you get this huge head rush and you will probably laugh alot. Poppers are HUGE in the gay scenes especially, so if you have gay friends you will probably come across them. They will give you INCREDIBLE orgasms, the kind where you black out from the pleasure. And best/worst of all they are for some reason legal in many countries.

Heres the catch: You can permanently destroy your natural orgasmic nervous response, I am not kidding. I have dozens of gay friends, and the community is rife with real life horror stories about this. You do poppers each time you are going to cum, and pretty soon your brain gets shortwired for them, and bam! you no longer are able to have a decent orgasm, if at all, without the drug. On top of this you can develop severe erectile dysfunction, as well as abnormal cardiac rythms which can result in a heart attack.

The worst thing is, you can learn to have knock out orgasms on your own, with practice. Millions of people arent doing tantric excercises for nothing, you know.

Good stuff Daggaz! Usually I end up locking threads like this because guys start doing nothing but chatting about how much they love to get stoned. It's nice to see some of you guys being really responsible and unbiased in your posts.

I won't claim to be an expert on the subject, but I've been around and I've seen and tried a few things in my time. The one thing I know is that there really isn't any drug that actually improves your game even if it may feel like it does. Usually you end up thinking you're amazing and the life of the party and that everyone loves you, when in reality anyone who isn't high thinks that you're sketchy and is simply tolerating your behaviour. If they're on similar substances then you tend to be on the same wavelength and may mesh really well, but like Daggaz said, when you come down you start wondering why you are hanging out with them and realise it was all artificial and you were all acting pretty weird and unattractive.

Drugs and alcohol are something that most people experiment with growing up and some people even continue to do into their adult years, but they aren't something you should make a habit out of doing or they can and will mess up your body, your mind and your life. In the end most people end up saying they wish they had never started doing drugs in the first place, but if you do intend to do them, don't plan on making them a regular part of your game, as that will only increase your chance of addiction and reduce your ability to attract and communicate with people effectively.

Remember, above all else, stay safe! For more info on basically any substance you can think of, check out www.errowid.org

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This is why it's best to stick to having a few beers a night..
That way you won't get the question "why aren't you drinking", but you can drink it slower than you usually do... maybe get a Guinness so it'll last longer, As an added bonus Guinness is perceived as having good taste

No PUA/person should go for Tequila or Jäger... at least no more than two shots, tops. That stuff is like poison if you're going for being conscious.

I drink but sociably I'm almost never drunk.

Mainly becuase I dislike the contemporary attitude in the uk towards alcohol and the such.

But here's something.

If you are doing drugs or alcohol becuase it improves your game, your BECOMING DEPENDANT on that.

I'm not going to say much more... but from my perspective...

thats a really easy way to develop an addiction.

well if there's one thing I know, atleast for me, as soon as I go past buzzed my game falls apart minute by minute. So, in order to still appear social I will nurse my 3-4 beers throughout the night and if needed will switch to club soda with lime for a mere illusion

what about beta-blockers I hear they eradicate approach anxiety, and nervousness. Alot of musicians use them to overcome "stage-freight."

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Read this thread. There's a lot of info towards the end of the thread as well, so don't just read the initial post.

approach-anticipation-excitement-vt35880.html

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