Hey everyone,

Over the past 6 weeks I have met a lot of PUAs from my area, and we have been out together a few times. Due to logistics there are between 4 and 8 of us each time.

I'd like to get the whole group together maybe once a month. I would like to hear what you all have to say about sarging in big groups say 20 or more guys and 2-3 pivot girls.

Do you think this is intimidating? Is being intimidating a good thing in this case?

Or is it massive social proof?

I think it will demonstrate social proof. I also don't feel we would be that intimidating as we wont be drunk and lairy like most large groups of guys.

One of my closest wings is of the opposite opinion.

We will definiteley be doing the large monthly meet either way. And welcome any ideas / experience on how we can work it to our advantage.


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I think it is all about having lots out, then splitting into smaller groups of 3's or 4's. You can switch the groups up during the night to see who works well with each other but I think that is the way forward.

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In my honest opinion 20guys with 2 girls is going to be a bit odd, especially if you all stay together. 20 people coming up to a group of 3-4 girls wont work out. Agree with Jaybot, Split into 2-3 groups and bounce between eachother so to the public, it will seem like each group is able to go up to anyone and have a great time instant bond with them. introduce sets to other "teams" and if you want add a competative streak somehow (look at Keys to the VIP, recovery etc etc).

Yeah, split off into groups of no more than 4 people and don't approach sets with that many, just approach as 1's or 2's then bring your buddies in if there's enough people in the set for everyone to talk to without taking your target's attention away from you. When I did used to go out with a group of about 10+ people regularly we'd go around in groups of 2-3 and when we'd see other guys in sets we'd walk up and be enthusiastic about running into them, like we hadn't seen them in a while, it's really good for social proof and pumping the set up; just make sure that you don't hang around for more than a couple minutes, or you'll kill their set.

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We would enter the place as a group, then in set, break into sets of two. At a certain time, those that were not getting a girl would meet near the entrance, pair up and go in again. As the leader of our entourage, I would do a pass through the place. If anyone needed a moment of help in getting a girl, I would wing.

It was the last call to let our guys know we were moving to the next place. If I got in a set, someone else would be the defacto rounder to get those not in set off to the next place.

Since Thanksgiving, the weather has been too cold for most of us to meet up regularly. That will change in March when the weather is bearable again.

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I agree with Rye and Madals.
If you're going to go out with such a large group, it's better to break off into lots of small groups, and since you then will appear to immediately hit it off with, considering these groups may hook up with sets and so on, about 10 sets or more, with no apparent effort.

That'll be immense social proof, in the eyes of someone who just arrived the scene.

I mean, think about it.
you see a group of 3-4 guys come into a bar, good vibes all around, these start getting known in other sets.
Soon another group arrives, perhaps a mixed group, these go up and immediately get into good vibes with the other sets, and PUAs who've branched off into the existing sets, and from there on they get good with even more sets, start bringing sets together, moving people around "Oh, you've got to meet...." etc.

If you keep it this way, there's no reason you shouldn't all become the social standard of the entire club/bar/whatever.. right ?

Especially since you all already know eachother.

The theoretical HBs experience will be that some people show up, the place gets livelier, cool people,
Even more people, they hit it off with the already cool people, and start introducing people to even more people, and as then even more of cool guys show up, eventually the PUA-group becomes the guide of how the club will act, since it will act as a link between everybody within the club.

Naturally these cool guys, who always gets good commercial from the persons who introduce the HBs to them, are social proofed through the roof...

Does it make sense ?
With a tight enough group, you can, essentially game a whole club at a time. With social proof from veering from group to group (of PUAs) demonstrating that you're a cool guy, before you even walk up to the unsuspecting HB and go "Hey, That guy's perfect for you, let me introduce you" =P or whatever you want.

Ok, I'm calling it a night... I'm way off in fantasy-land. I think I'm just constantly repeating myself.

But seriously; think it through.
Small groups, with seemingly extremely High Value people, who also easily demonstrate Alpha-behavior, but a non-aggressive kind.
Instant connection with seemingly random groups, and easy tickets to Opened Sets, through any and all other Group containing at least one PUA.
Everybody already set into the friendly vibe mindset.

It'd be fun to watch.
This could also be an opportunity to try out some experiments in social dynamics. See what things affect the room in large, and such. if you know what I mean.
Have a pivot slap you then turn to a set and open with "Don't you just hate it when a girl slaps you for no reason"
Try out really far-out shit.

Have one guy being completely incoherent, like totally Far-fetched, Non sequitur, and give the guy Complete social proof.
He'll be saying things like "When I was three I wanted a pony."
(response)
"Yeah, it was not supposed to be bigger than a house, but my mom couldn't find the raindeer, so I got a mule"

And see if stuff like that is accepted given that the guy has already been social proofed by the entire room.
Fuck around with people, you know ?


Ok... now I know I'm off.
But, hey..
Have a little fun if you decide to go out with such a multitude of PUAs.

Cheers! and Good Night. ^^

Yeah, Wolf explained what we did really well. Each of our groups of 2-3 would start talking to sets and then guys would peel off and go meet up with guys who were in other sets. It would end up being a whole bunch of us able to basically walk into almost every group in the bar that had hot girls in it because there was already at least one guy there, or we'd already been there, or we were in close proximity and had such huge social proof that everyone wanted to talk to us. If done correctly this IS a REALLY effective way of doing club game.

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There really isnt a need to say anymore....but besides a group of 20 single guys?? girls are going to wonder why they are all single and grouped together.

Thanks guys. Being in small groups and switching in and out etc. This is a really great idea, and is definitely the way we will do it. Really great advice. I also like the possibility of adding a competitive element.
Bonita? Could be a stag night, birthday, university reunion, football / rugby team night out etc. Plus how would people know the guys are single, we wont be wearing badges!

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I wasn't making a personal judgment, it is just social norms. Women go out in big groups and that is accepted and even expected. When guys go out in big groups it has a different connotation. I know a lot of frat guys that stick together and go out in big groups but they mix women into the groups. It is suspecious that 20 guys would go out without one female friend in the mix. *A big group of guys does not give you social proof...if anything, it lowers your social proof.*

You're better of in small groups...

quality, not quantity.

You'll just scare girls away...just when your football team just won a game and they all go out and get drunk = no women

Actually if those guys go to a place with women already there, or that women are likely to show up at, then they have a pretty good chance of success. Mindframe plays a big part and being in a big group of friends that you know are all going to make you sound good is really helpful.

If I walk up to a couple girls and I'm talking with them but they're kinda hesitant because they don't know whether I'm cool or not, then one of my buddies comes in and greets me enthusiastically with a hug (shows I'm not trying too hard to look like a man and I'm comfortable in my sexuality as well as a touchy person, so now it's really easy to hug, kiss or otherwise touch them) and then starts telling them that I'm such an awesome guy for whatever reason, I'm pretty much unstoppable. What may take you 30 minutes to prove to a girl can be shown to her by a friend of yours in 60 seconds and then he takes care of her friends and leaves you isolated with your target, or will take off and you can run the whole set yourself and look even cooler for being the center of attention. You have a few guys do this during the course of the night and you look like the coolest guy in the place and all it was is your friends coming up to you, introducing themselves as cool guys and then leaving you alone.

Seriously, if you have a few good friends who you like to hang out with and are cool guys, this is an amazing way to run club game if you do it well. You can even have some guys who aren't the coolest, but you look like an even better guy by being able to get along with various types of people. It's better to have all types, not just a bunch of jocks, bring your computer geek friends if they can get on in public without embaressing you. Nothing works better than having some gay friends that you know at the club or in your group as well! If you can hold up a conversation with a gay guy right in front of a girl and have him fall for you while remaining masculine and still coming off straight, then you're gonna get laid!

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Hahahaha I gave neg kudos to Bonita for her poorly thought out response & she neg kudos'd me right back.

I dispute your statement that big groups for girls is good, but for guys is bad. Trully no-one has ever said 'you have a lot of cool friends, how suspicious'.

Having lots of people around who think you are cool is the definition of social proof.

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well, maybe she could have explained herself better...

As a successful bartender over the past few years (tips leader, massive scoring), I notice that big groups of only guys tend to put everybody in the bar slightly on edge... its just waaaay too much testosterone, people are expecting hooligans or fights or whatever. I notice that girls (with the exception of the football slut and the really drunk girls) do NOT approach guys in packs like this, probably they are worried about getting eaten alive, and as well other guys wont really merge into it either. Its not their pack, dont wanna piss off the AMOGs..

And Bonita is really just saying what all the 400+ post MPUAs are saying here on this thread, if you read it carefully. Big groups of guys NEED to break up into smaller, more socially manageable units, which can then infilitrate and cross polinate the entire club. Sure they can walk in together, that is social proof, but they need to break off and quickly.

At a risk of getting slammed by your nasty karma stick, I think it was a bit uncalled for to whack her for what she said, its hardly bad advice (like the guy telling us how to be a fake baller on routines), and its childish to publicly call her out for whacking you back.

Me: *hits sister*
Sister: *hits me back, of course*
Me: Mom! Mooooom! Bonita is hitting me!!!

Remember that? Anyhow just my 2 cents, this forum is supposed to be about helping eachother, not starting petty rivalries.

I think Bonita's post is poorly thought out because my request is for 'ideas and experience on how we can work it to our advantage' as these meets will definitely be happening. Instead she provides unfounded reasons why it wont work to our advantage stating girls will 'wonder why they are all single' etc, which would be quite an assumption. In fact we are not all single.
Later she adds that 'it is suspecious (sic) that 20 guys would go out without one female'. Despite the OP stating that there would be some girls in the group, and after I had already given a few suggestions of times when large groups of guys are out together.

I don't wish to be mis-interpreted with what I said above. I have no interest in rivalry and don't want to be seen that way.
I honestly just thought what she did was funny.

For the record: I LOVE YOU ALL xoxoxox


BACK TO THE TOPIC:
Trully, big groups can be intimidating, whether they are guys or girls. Though a lot depends on what they are like individually and collectively. Thankfully the PU guys I know are pretty chilled, non-intimidating people (e.g. barristers, scientists, philosophers, musicians etc.)

Plus, many things can be done to counteract the intimidation factor. Large groups of girls are often together because it is a hen night and usually are wearing some item that demonstrates this, and shows that they are part of the group even when seperated. I'm sure Mystery talks about being out with a lot of guys and carrying big plastic cigars in order to acheive the same result.

I think the general consensus, that we should break into small groups to 'infiltrate and cross polinate the entire club', is absolute gold and definitely the way to go. Armed with these ideas I'm now pretty psyched about setting the first one up. I'm sure it'll take at least a couple of runs to get it working smoothly. I will report back on our findings.

I'm also quite interested in what effect can be acheived from doing something similar to Mystery's big cigar thing. It's a friends birthday next week and I'm thinking about getting a pack of cards and some boot-laces to make necklaces, belts, bracelets etc., so we can all wear one (boys and girls). I'll also let you know what response this gets.

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