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From what I've read of anthropology I would suggest that oneitis is ideally something that just Beta males develop, although due to the way our society has developed clear distinctions between Alphas, Betas and other designations have blurred, hence why most men experience it to an extent. The reason for it is that Alphas impregnate many women and then Betas are tricked into raising the offspring of those Alphas. So basically oneitis is the mechanism by which those men are roped into caring for children that aren't theirs because they desire to please a girl that isn't truly their mate, but whom they will do anything for because they feel that they are "in love" with her even though it is only one sided.

Now, where's my award and fame for explaining something? Mystery got his and his theories are based upon his own lack of self-esteem, not scientifically proven facts.
It can't be this simple, because beta males, who you claim possess the one-itis gene, would not pass their genes to the next generation, therefore no one in this world today should have one-itis.

One hypothesis is that, although yes a beta takes care of a woman and her offspring, she is prone to having sex with him (he wouldn't stay if it was 100% sexless?), and therefore some of her offspring should be his, and would still contain the gene.

Another hypothesis is that one-itis is in ALL of us, and is triggered when an alpha turns beta, loses being lead in the pack, has harder times mating with women, and therefore resorts to the above case. I think this is probably more likely. You are not born alpha or beta, you can become one, and turn to the other at some point having lost a battle with other males, or lost mates for whatever reason. For example, you are born, become an alpha of your group because of your superior genes. You possess the one-itis gene, but it never triggers psychologically because you are in abundant supply of mating with females. At some point, you are overthrown by younger males, or lose an arm due to a bear fight, or whatever. Maybe you almost drown. You lose your status in some way, and become a beta male. One-itis kicks in, telling you "OK, you are down but not out. I'm going to let you enjoy taking care of another woman and her offspring because your chances of mating with multiple women are gone. In exchange, she will let you have sex with her, and more offspring can arise. The price you pay, using resources to take care of her family, is enough to warrant any chance of future offspring, since some is better than none." At some point the beta could turn into an alpha once again, lose the feelings (one-itis) towards his mate, and continue mating with multiple women. How many times have you seen famous actors leave their original wifes just when they made it big? Turning beta->alpha and vice versa happens, i believe one-itis is a survival trigger for when you turn alpha->beta.

Now, where is MY prize!!!


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Psychology can be explained by evoloution, hence why the term "evolutionary psychology" exists. It applies to both conscious and subconscious psychology as well. So your arguement isn't true.
Yes I can understand your perspective and of course there is that part of science but it is about the feelings we get subconsciouly. When something is conscious we have the power to control it when it is subconscious we dont and I think oneitis is conscious.
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Just as a side note, some of the other arguements I'm reading here are utterly ridiculous. "You only want what you can't have". Give me a break. We're dicussing why a certain trait evolved.
I think just because mystery tries to explain everything by going back to the tribal way of living doesn't mean he is right OR that the method is right.. After all we are all evolved animals and in animal species monogammy is not common at all. As I just said I think oneitis is a conscious "procedure" (sorry for my poor vocabulary but english is not my native language) and not a trait that humans got along the way of evolution. Basically I think it's a lot of talk and overanalysis about something nobody can prove, since there isnt really a gene for oneitis.


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From what I've read of anthropology I would suggest that oneitis is ideally something that just Beta males develop, although due to the way our society has developed clear distinctions between Alphas, Betas and other designations have blurred, hence why most men experience it to an extent. The reason for it is that Alphas impregnate many women and then Betas are tricked into raising the offspring of those Alphas. So basically oneitis is the mechanism by which those men are roped into caring for children that aren't theirs because they desire to please a girl that isn't truly their mate, but whom they will do anything for because they feel that they are "in love" with her even though it is only one sided.

Now, where's my award and fame for explaining something? Mystery got his and his theories are based upon his own lack of self-esteem, not scientifically proven facts.
Turning beta->alpha and vice versa happens, i believe one-itis is a survival trigger for when you turn alpha->beta.

Now, where is MY prize!!!
The problem I see with that theory is that I can't see how it is, or ever could have been advantageous evolutionarily. It doesn't make sense that reverting to oneitus because you have just become beta is ever going to imporve you're chances of replicating/mating; completely the opposite in fact!


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From what I've read of anthropology I would suggest that oneitis is ideally something that just Beta males develop, although due to the way our society has developed clear distinctions between Alphas, Betas and other designations have blurred, hence why most men experience it to an extent. The reason for it is that Alphas impregnate many women and then Betas are tricked into raising the offspring of those Alphas. So basically oneitis is the mechanism by which those men are roped into caring for children that aren't theirs because they desire to please a girl that isn't truly their mate, but whom they will do anything for because they feel that they are "in love" with her even though it is only one sided.

Now, where's my award and fame for explaining something? Mystery got his and his theories are based upon his own lack of self-esteem, not scientifically proven facts.
Turning beta->alpha and vice versa happens, i believe one-itis is a survival trigger for when you turn alpha->beta.

Now, where is MY prize!!!
The problem I see with that theory is that I can't see how it is, or ever could have been advantageous evolutionarily. It doesn't make sense that reverting to oneitus because you have just become beta is ever going to imporve you're chances of replicating/mating; completely the opposite in fact!
I'm theorizing that having one-itis causes a beta to have attachment to a female and her family, eventually being their provider and getting sex / more offspring later in return. It is MAJOR investment on the beta, don't get me wrong. In fact, he will forgo all other activities and opportunities to mate, just to provide for the woman. The reason I believe it is evolutionary advantageous is that his body is telling him, "you have no other shot to mate except for pulling every stop with this girl." She probably was beautiful before, so she would have good genes.

But it's just my theory. There are degrees of one-itis, this is the extreme though.


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Psychology can be explained by evoloution, hence why the term "evolutionary psychology" exists. It applies to both conscious and subconscious psychology as well. So your arguement isn't true.
Yes I can understand your perspective and of course there is that part of science but it is about the feelings we get subconsciouly. When something is conscious we have the power to control it when it is subconscious we dont and I think oneitis is conscious.
Wrong. Just because you think something consciously doesn't mean it isn't governed by subconscious factors. This is precisely why the argument that everything you do is pre-determined exists. In any situation I may consciously choose to do something, but my reasons for doing so are based upon who I am as a person, which in large part is based upon genetics and how the human psyche has developed as we evolved. I'm not going to argue this any more though because this is basic psychology and incredibly well proven and documented if you read scientific journals, so your basically arguing that the Earth is flat for all intensive purposes.

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What do you mean? Can't say I've ever particularly disagreed with any of his theories but maybe you can elaborate?

The way I'd look at it is that if virtually every man gets oneitus at some point (I know I have, won't happen again though :D), that means that in the past, guys who were prone to oneitus were more likely to pass on their genes, thats a fact that you can't argue with that.
Sure I can argue that. Oneitis is a one-sided obsession, where no sexual/romantic interest is returned, thus that guy isn't going to have sex and isn't going to pass on his genes with that girl.
While I respect you as a master PUA, you are wrong. The fact that onitus is a trait that is ubiquitous, means that without question, at some point in our evolutionary history, having such a trait gave those individuals an advantage, which is why they passed on their genes and other didn't. The same reason we all have two eyes, or opposable thumbs etc.
Just because a trait is passed down doesn't mean that isn't beneficial to the society at large and not the individual.

Let's take a look at wolves for an example. The Alpha males in the pack are the only ones who mate with the females and all the other males are Betas, relegated to care giving and providing for the pack. If the Alpha males only spawned other Alphas, then there would cease to be males with the Beta characteristic of being a caregiver. That's basically what oneitis equals in the theory I've proposed, thus it's perfectly founded based upon not only wolves, but many other species that have similar societal systems, including some species of apes, which are our closest relatives.

Human beings ARE animals, so there's no reason why traits that are common in animals are not common in humans, such as producing both Alpha and Beta males in order for society to function efficiently. I think that it's something that was incredibly important about 10 thousand years and more ago, back before agriculture changed how our societies functioned. 10 thousand years isn't enough time for genetic pre-dispositions and psychological traits to be weeded out of the gene-pool though, thus what was once an important trait that helped our societies function, now actually gets in the way.

I've got TONS of research by other people to back me up on these theories. I actually highly suggest checking out some of the materials I came up with this from because it will give you a much better understanding of why humans act the way they do and have the sexual practices they have. Check out Why Is Sex Fun? by Jared Diamond, it's not too long, but it's an outstanding book that changed the way I see people and helped give me the ability to figure out relationships between people merely by looking at them. Also, a great source of information is a series of 6 FREE video seminars by Johnny Soporno; you can download them all from here: http://www.worthyplayboys.com/philosoph ... oning.html. Johnny explains a lot of the reasons for oneitis and human societal roles in these videos and if you're going to debate this stuff I think these videos are an absolute must, as well as really helping to improve your game!

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